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How many points does Stockholm have now?
City-state elimination thread
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Antananarivo (Cultural) - 18
Babylon (Scientific) - 11
Kabul (Militaristic) - 18
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 27 (+1) Well what Amrunril said. And why do people vote down "just because"?
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23 ( -3 cannot vote against anyone else on this list so....)
Babylon (Scientific) - 11
Kabul (Militaristic) - 18
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 27 (+1) Well what Amrunril said. And why do people vote down "just because"?
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23 ( -3 cannot vote against anyone else on this list so....)
shadow8803
Chieftain
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 18
Babylon (Scientific) - 8 (11 - 8) I mean, if you're Russia, Greece...maybe Japan you can get some impressive gains with Babylon, but otherwise the other CS's still here give you more bang for your buck.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 18
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 28 (27 + 1) Agreeing with the previous post, why do people down vote because 'it seemed too high'? Stockholm is a great CS to have suzerainty of; I believe the best.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) - 8 (11 - 8) I mean, if you're Russia, Greece...maybe Japan you can get some impressive gains with Babylon, but otherwise the other CS's still here give you more bang for your buck.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 18
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 28 (27 + 1) Agreeing with the previous post, why do people down vote because 'it seemed too high'? Stockholm is a great CS to have suzerainty of; I believe the best.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
BenitoChavez
What business is it of yours?
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 19 = 18 + 1. Very useful no matter what victory type you go for.
Babylon (Scientific) - 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15 = 18 - 3. Good, but has limited usefulness if you play peaceful.
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 28
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) - 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15 = 18 - 3. Good, but has limited usefulness if you play peaceful.
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 28
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
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Antananarivo (Cultural) - 19
Babylon (Scientific) - 9 (8+1) - It gives science with campus buildings which makes it a good investment in every game.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 25 (28-3) - Because it's good but nowhere near 20% better than the next highest as it's current score indicates. Also, these are all mighty fine city states and something must be voted down.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) - 9 (8+1) - It gives science with campus buildings which makes it a good investment in every game.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 25 (28-3) - Because it's good but nowhere near 20% better than the next highest as it's current score indicates. Also, these are all mighty fine city states and something must be voted down.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
BarbarianHunter
SPAMBO
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 19
Babylon (Scientific) - 10 – This should be higher.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 22 – This should be lower.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) - 10 – This should be higher.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 22 – This should be lower.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 19
Babylon (Scientific) - 10 – Same as above. With a civ that can get early 60 GP great writers (Greece, etc.), you can skip the campi and build something else more useful. Those pair of books give you more than a splendid campus would early on. Kongo loves this CS as much as Greece (because you can put Pingala in your capital with a ton of books/relics/artifacts, allowing you maximum efficiency with that 15%) Late game this is as powerful as two oxford universities easily.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 22 – Same as above again. You kind of get maxed out when GP from next era cost double anyways... late game you get 800+ cost GP... needing a tier 1 building slows this CS down such that it no longer was as OP as it used to be
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) - 10 – Same as above. With a civ that can get early 60 GP great writers (Greece, etc.), you can skip the campi and build something else more useful. Those pair of books give you more than a splendid campus would early on. Kongo loves this CS as much as Greece (because you can put Pingala in your capital with a ton of books/relics/artifacts, allowing you maximum efficiency with that 15%) Late game this is as powerful as two oxford universities easily.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 22 – Same as above again. You kind of get maxed out when GP from next era cost double anyways... late game you get 800+ cost GP... needing a tier 1 building slows this CS down such that it no longer was as OP as it used to be
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 19
Babylon (Scientific) - 11-3=8 - If you don't build campuses and rely purely on this bonus, then you're gonna have severe problem when you lose the suzerain status or when this gets conquered.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 19+1=20 - Play your game without any differences and enjoy the bonus great people points. And if you'll lose it, it won't hurt.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) - 11-3=8 - If you don't build campuses and rely purely on this bonus, then you're gonna have severe problem when you lose the suzerain status or when this gets conquered.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23
Stockholm (Scientific) - 19+1=20 - Play your game without any differences and enjoy the bonus great people points. And if you'll lose it, it won't hurt.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
SammyKhalifa
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Antananarivo (Cultural) - 19
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23-3=20 Really good, but having to send the TR to a city state seems like a big tradeoff to me, I'm probably missing something as nobody else is even talking about that.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 20 +1 =21 It's the best one and should win.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 23-3=20 Really good, but having to send the TR to a city state seems like a big tradeoff to me, I'm probably missing something as nobody else is even talking about that.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 20 +1 =21 It's the best one and should win.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 19-3 = 16 I don't own the DLC it came in. Sounds awesome though
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20 + 1 = 21 The only city-state on this list that can let me completely skip theatres and still keep up in culture
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 15
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20 + 1 = 21 The only city-state on this list that can let me completely skip theatres and still keep up in culture
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Icicle
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Antananarivo (Cultural) - 16
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 16 (15+1) just cuz it's the lowest of what I feel are the top 3
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18 (21-3) Has an opportunity cost, others remaining don't.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 16 (15+1) just cuz it's the lowest of what I feel are the top 3
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18 (21-3) Has an opportunity cost, others remaining don't.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
BenitoChavez
What business is it of yours?
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17 = 16 + 1. Very useful no matter what victory type you go for.
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 13 = 16 - 3. Good, but has limited usefulness if you play peaceful.
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Babylon (Scientific) 8
Kabul (Militaristic) - 13 = 16 - 3. Good, but has limited usefulness if you play peaceful.
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 23
Lily_Lancer
Deity
ntananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Babylon (Scientific) 8+1=9 Science itself is valuable
Kabul (Militaristic) - 13
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 20=23-3 To be conquered, isn't it?
Babylon (Scientific) 8+1=9 Science itself is valuable
Kabul (Militaristic) - 13
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 20=23-3 To be conquered, isn't it?
shadow8803
Chieftain
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Babylon (Scientific) 6 (9 - 3) Babylon is good...but Stockholm is a better science CS, and the other five remaining are more useful for more civs.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 13
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21 (20 + 1) I'll throw a vote here, though I stand by Stockholm as the best. I know people don't think amenities are that important, but I've found in the early game they can be important to ensure growth and, sometimes, to ensure cities don't flip before I get all the loyalty bolsters in place. So, Zanzibar can be a big help. Being a commercial CS, there just isn't a big downside here.
Babylon (Scientific) 6 (9 - 3) Babylon is good...but Stockholm is a better science CS, and the other five remaining are more useful for more civs.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 13
Kumasi (Cultural) - 18
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21 (20 + 1) I'll throw a vote here, though I stand by Stockholm as the best. I know people don't think amenities are that important, but I've found in the early game they can be important to ensure growth and, sometimes, to ensure cities don't flip before I get all the loyalty bolsters in place. So, Zanzibar can be a big help. Being a commercial CS, there just isn't a big downside here.
Trav'ling Canuck
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Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Babylon (Scientific) 6
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10 (13 - 3) Military City States are less useful than the others remaining, as there's little benefit (and some penalties) to building more than one Encampment. The Suzerain bonus may (I hope) become useful in the future, but right now beating up the AI with souped up forces instead of just beating the AI up with raw recruits seems unsporting.
Kumasi (Cultural) - 19 (18 + 1) City States often make good trade partners anyway, so I see little opportunity cost to send trade routes their way. And the bonuses - oh my, the bonuses! Early game, mid-game, late-game, being Suzerain of this City State is game changing.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
Babylon (Scientific) 6
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10 (13 - 3) Military City States are less useful than the others remaining, as there's little benefit (and some penalties) to building more than one Encampment. The Suzerain bonus may (I hope) become useful in the future, but right now beating up the AI with souped up forces instead of just beating the AI up with raw recruits seems unsporting.
Kumasi (Cultural) - 19 (18 + 1) City States often make good trade partners anyway, so I see little opportunity cost to send trade routes their way. And the bonuses - oh my, the bonuses! Early game, mid-game, late-game, being Suzerain of this City State is game changing.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 21
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
BarbarianHunter
SPAMBO
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Babylon (Scientific) 6
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20
Stockholm (Scientific) – 18 --- At this point I may as well throw a dart at a board while blindfolded and downvote the one it hits, but here’s my vote.
Zanzibar (Trade) – 21
Babylon (Scientific) 6
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20
Stockholm (Scientific) – 18 --- At this point I may as well throw a dart at a board while blindfolded and downvote the one it hits, but here’s my vote.
Zanzibar (Trade) – 21
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Babylon (Scientific) 6-3=3 - It's good and useful, but it doesn't belong among the top 5. The others are better in my view.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20
Stockholm (Scientific) - 18+1=19 - Scientific + helps in every victory.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
Babylon (Scientific) 6-3=3 - It's good and useful, but it doesn't belong among the top 5. The others are better in my view.
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20
Stockholm (Scientific) - 18+1=19 - Scientific + helps in every victory.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
Forster
Prince
Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Babylon (Scientific) 3-3= 0 DOA
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20
Stockholm (Scientific) - 19+1= 20 - Scientific + helps in every victory. Won't damage you if you do lose suzerainty.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
Babylon (Scientific) 3-3= 0 DOA
Kabul (Militaristic) - 10
Kumasi (Cultural) - 20
Stockholm (Scientific) - 19+1= 20 - Scientific + helps in every victory. Won't damage you if you do lose suzerainty.
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
Icicle
Prince
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Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Kabul (Militaristic) - 11 (10+1) I will go down with this ship, though tbh I'm just happy it got to top 5. o7
Kumasi (Cultural) - 17 (20-3) I just don't like not being able to use domestic or ally trade routes if I want this benefit.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 20
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
Kabul (Militaristic) - 11 (10+1) I will go down with this ship, though tbh I'm just happy it got to top 5. o7
Kumasi (Cultural) - 17 (20-3) I just don't like not being able to use domestic or ally trade routes if I want this benefit.
Stockholm (Scientific) - 20
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21
Eliminator_Sr
Prince
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Antananarivo (Cultural) - 17
Kabul (Militaristic) - 11 + 1 = 12 (I'll take military might over science early and this CS can give you a decisive advantage)
Kumasi (Cultural) - 17
Stockholm (Scientific) - 20
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21 - 3 = 18 (Nice amenity boost but there are plenty of ways to get amenities and I rarely even notice when I lose the boost. I think this often gets uprated for aesthetic reasons)
Kabul (Militaristic) - 11 + 1 = 12 (I'll take military might over science early and this CS can give you a decisive advantage)
Kumasi (Cultural) - 17
Stockholm (Scientific) - 20
Zanzibar (Trade) - 21 - 3 = 18 (Nice amenity boost but there are plenty of ways to get amenities and I rarely even notice when I lose the boost. I think this often gets uprated for aesthetic reasons)
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