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City-state elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kimiimaro, Jun 10, 2018.

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  1. WillowBrook

    WillowBrook Lurker

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 28 (27+1) I love production from water.
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 24 (27-3) usually not better than Muscat. Even if it provides a few more amenities, I prefer trade to industrial city states.
    Brussels (Industrial) - 11
    Geneva (Scientific) - 17
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 19
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Palenque (Scientific) - 8
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 9
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 28
     
  2. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 11
    Geneva (Scientific) - 17
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 8 = 11 - 3. Still not a fan of the suzerain bonus.
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 19
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Palenque (Scientific) - 8
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 10 = 9 + 1. By far the best CS for religious victory. It shouldn't go out quite yet.
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 28
     
  3. Phoenix1595

    Phoenix1595 Lord of the Two Lands

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 11
    Geneva (Scientific) - 17
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 9 =8+1 I just played a game where I started with no nearby iron but neighbored Hattusa, so just one point for occasional utility.
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 19
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Palenque (Scientific) - 5 =8-3 I generally don’t want to grow my cities too quickly after the early game, so as to balance amenities and housing. At the point I have campuses, this isn’t as much as a perk as a bit of a headache.
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 10
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 28
     
  4. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 11
    Geneva (Scientific) - 17
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 9
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 19
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Palenque (Scientific) - 5-3=2 - I can live without it. Its bonus isn't big or very interesting. It's scientific, which is a plus, but that's about it.
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 10
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 28+1=29 - Offers something totally unique and unobtainable in any other way. And it's trade, which is another plus.
     
  5. marcopolothefraud

    marcopolothefraud Chieftain

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 11
    Geneva (Scientific) - 17
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 9
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 19
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Palenque (Scientific) - 2-3=-1 ELIMINATED Sorry Palenque, but the measly growth bonus makes you the worst science city-state.
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 10+1=11 Better promotions make religion so much easier.
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 29
     
  6. Icicle

    Icicle Prince

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 8 (11-3) Building wonders isn't something you really have time for in most games, so saving a few dozen hammers on the few you prioritize is just too little impact.
    Geneva (Scientific) - 17
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 9
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 20 (19+1) There's no way this isn't one of the top city states. Getting logistics twice as fast is literally game winning. To correct a previous poster, the battle must be initiated by your unit - which will almost always the be case with your ranged units if you're doing it right - not the war.
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 11
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 29
     
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  7. Trav'ling Canuck

    Trav'ling Canuck Deity

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 5 (8-3) It's an Industrial city state, and you're not likely to have many (any?) Indutrial Zones. And then as Suzerain you only get a 15% production bonus in those cities when, at any given time, you may be building a Wonder. That's a relatively small amount of extra production compared to the bonuses provided by the remaining city states on this list.
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18 (17 + 1) 15% Science everywhere and almost all the time, on the other hand, is excellent. Not if you're warmongering, of course, but then if you're warmongering winning's pretty easy, anyway. This City State helps a lot if you're going the more challenging route of not beating up the AI.

    Hattusa (Scientific) - 9
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 20
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 11
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 29
     
  8. Ferocitus

    Ferocitus Deity

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 6 (5 + 1) I like that it spawns near the civs I prefer to play because I want a fillip to
    early buildings.

    Geneva (Scientific) - 18
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 9
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 17 (20 - 3) Useless to me: spawns too far away, and I don't need militaristic bonuses.
    However, it grants me 1 LOL every time I see the USA fighting to control it.
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 11
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 29
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2018
  9. Virdrago

    Virdrago Wandering

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    @Ferocitus You added 3 to Brussels and took 1 point from Kabul. it should be Brussels +1 (6), and Kabul -3(17)
     
  10. Ferocitus

    Ferocitus Deity

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    Sincere Apologies. Corrected the post now.
    (It's my partner's job to point out my deficiencies, but she approved that free kick.)
     
  11. Lily_Lancer

    Lily_Lancer Emperor

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 24
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 5
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18

    Hattusa (Scientific) - 10=9+1 1:Scientific 2: The Suzerain bonus is very very useful.
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 20
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 26
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 11
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 26=29-3: I always capture this city-state. Even if I already gain its suzerain, I still declare war and capture it when I have free army.
     
  12. Amrunril

    Amrunril Emperor

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 21 (24 - 3) Yes the late game culture numbers it can generate are somewhat obscene. The late game though is essentially a tie breaker though, that only matters if civs are roughly evenly matched through the early and mid game. In these pivotal stages, Kumasi or Nan Madol will yield far more culture.
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 22
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 5
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 10
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 20
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 24
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27 (26 + 1) This can earn you enough extra great people for their abilities to thoroughly outshine most CS bonuses.
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 11
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 26
     
  13. Greywulf

    Greywulf King

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 21
    Auckland (Industrial) – 27
    Babylon (Scientific) - 19 (22 - 3) Much rather see them as a civ rather than a CS.
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 5
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 10
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 20
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25 (24 + 1) Yay! Micronesia gets representation!
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 11
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 26
     
  14. Wyvern_Parade

    Wyvern_Parade Chieftain

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 21
    Auckland (Industrial) – 24 (27-3) It definitely looks cool to have all those productive water tiles, but most of the time it's better just to avoid bad coastal cities that would rely on this anyway. Not a terrible cs by any means, but a little overrated thus far imo.

    Babylon (Scientific) - 19
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 27
    Brussels (Industrial) - 5
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11 (10+1) Can be absolutely game changing when you need it. Not having iron or horses early against an aggressive opponent means death. Also I seem to have the worst luck spawning oil for tanks so it can be helpful later in the game too.
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 20
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 11
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 26
     
  15. Virdrago

    Virdrago Wandering

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    Ferocitus' changes weren't added on subsequent posts, so fixed, and I'll add my votes:

    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 21
    Auckland (Industrial) – 24
    Babylon (Scientific) - 19
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 28 (27+1) Having 5 or 6 extra luxuries (or even 10!) for my bonus resources in the mid-late game can be very helpful, especially during long wars or when growing my sub-optimal metropoles ;)
    Brussels (Industrial) - 6
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 17
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 8 (11-3) On higher difficulty levels, getting a religion outside of Arabia is hard. I very rarely have a reason to suzerain a Religious CS
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 26
     
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  16. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 21
    Auckland (Industrial) – 24
    Babylon (Scientific) - 19
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 28
    Brussels (Industrial) - 6-3=3 - I love building wonders, but at the same time, I have to agree that Brussels is one of the weakest left.
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 17
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 8
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 26+1=27 - This unique luxuries + trade CS is a very valuable combination for me.
     
  17. Icicle

    Icicle Prince

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 21
    Auckland (Industrial) – 24
    Babylon (Scientific) - 19
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 28
    Brussels (Industrial) - 0 3-3 ELIMINATED. Goodbye sweet unnecessary boost to a thing that if I could build I wouldn't need help.
    Geneva (Scientific) - 18
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 18 (17+1) The only problem with this CS is when you get corps you realize all your units are level 6-8 and you don't want to merge any of them.
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 8
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 27
     
  18. eleven11

    eleven11 Warlord

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    Spoiler I wasn't able to suze Antananarivo until late because Laturo conquered it early and everyone on the map wanted a piece of me. I was further delayed because he rushed his raiders and sat one in the city which made it impossible for me to take until cannons :


    Spoiler So with all the early wars I got a late start on GPs but you can see when I finally liberated Antananarivo and the the culture bonus it gave to my empire up through Globalization at the end. :


    Spoiler End-game for giggles :


    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 22 (21+1) - I've seen a couple people here say this bonus is small or comes late. Both are incorrect. It's a % bonus which means as long as you are getting great people it will help.. and it only gets better with time. % bonus is rare in Civ 6 and it's powerful.
    Auckland (Industrial) – 24
    Babylon (Scientific) - 19
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 28
    Geneva (Scientific) - 15 (18-3) - Bonus is good but unreliable due to chaotic AI DoW.
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 18
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 8
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 27
     
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  19. marcopolothefraud

    marcopolothefraud Chieftain

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 22
    Auckland (Industrial) – 21 (24-3) Industrial districts are weak in R&F, and I rarely settle waterside cities. This is super useful with Indonesia, but otherwise a bit overrated.
    Babylon (Scientific) - 19
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 28
    Geneva (Scientific) - 16 (15+1) - I strongly disagree with eleven11. The 15% stacks with the 1/3/6 Envoy bonuses that Geneva also provides. At the very least, this deserves a higher rank than Auckland or Muscat.
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 18
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 8
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 27
     
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  20. Greywulf

    Greywulf King

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    Antananarivo (Cultural) - 22
    Auckland (Industrial) – 21
    Babylon (Scientific) - 19
    Buenos Aires (Industrial) - 28
    Geneva (Scientific) - 16
    Hattusa (Scientific) - 11
    Kabul (Militaristic) – 15 (18 - 3) The Warmonger's CS.
    Kumasi (Cultural) – 28
    Muscat (Trade) – 25
    Nan Madol (Cultural) - 25
    Stockholm (Scientific) – 27
    Valetta (Militaristic) - 26
    Yerevan (Religious) – 9 (8 + 1) In my opinion, the best Religious CS to suzerain if going for Religious victory. Having choice of any promotion is actually quite a bonus for that victory, but I'd welcome it even to defend against conversion attempts of other civs.
    Zanzibar (Trade) - 27
     
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