Civ 3 GOTM #2 *Spoiler* talks

[Lord Oden]

*Spoiler* year ~1000BC

Looks like we are stuck on an Island with the Romans.

The Bad News: Dear God, all I can think of is my Hoplites taking a beating from droves of Legionaries.

The Romans dont know how lucky they are, after swaping maps I found out that they have many rivers, lots of firtle grass and fat cows, forest with game and horses runing around.

Where we, the Greek, have some dirt, thick jungle, a patch of grass with two rivers and an Elephant here and there.

Looks like the Romans won on the starting place.

The Good News: I just aquired Iron Working from the romans, and there are only 2 sources of Iron on the entire island! Getting those means getting the island! Therefore making the Romans your Be-och!

I wont give away too much, so you will have to find their location on your own!

Happy Civing!
I'm Out

Lord Oden

 

[Endureth]

I've gotten extremely luck so far.

In the biggining of the game I sent two warriors to scout out the roman starting area to see how his land looked and if there were any resources. I found a goodie hut and out popped a settler! Cool, I thought so I built a city on the western side of the island and decided I would draw a line of cities straight across and try to settle the top half.

My capital is built along the northern coast because I wanted to try to get the Collosus. I think I'll need the money to buy techs from the other civs.

As soon as I discrovered iron working I found that the city I had built in the west had iron within it's borders! How cool is that. Uh oh, who is sharing the island with me, the Romans. Who needs iron for thier special unit.

Needless to say the Romans attacked me and started a war. Actually, they demanded tribute, I told them to go to hell and a war started. I'm holding on to the iron for dear life. I can't use it quite yet, it will be a while before I get it hooked up to all of my cities. My goal is to have swordsmen as fast as I can.

There have been a lot of battles but here are the ones I wrote down...

- 250 BC. The Romans take the city of Corinth but in 190 BC, the Greek people overthrow Roman rule and dispose of the invaders. In the midst of this first campaign a great Greek leader is born and killed in the process. He wasn't even around long enough for the Greek people to learn his name.

- 130 BC. The golden age ends. So short.

- 70 BC. 24 Barbarian Horsemen assault Knossos! Total losses: 1 settler, 140 gold.

- 50 BC. 24 Barbarian horsemen raid Pharsalos! Total losses: 20 gold. The barbarians are so upset that they didn't get as much this second time around they also destroy the city walls and work on a temple.

- 30 BC. 24 Barbarian horsemen raid the capital city of Athens! The barbarians are SO upset with only getting 4 gold that they kill 7 citizens! They easily slaughter the 2 hoplites and 1 archer defending the city.

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Ugh, I'm getting slaughtered by the Romans. I'm going to try and make peace with them just so I can research and build. I think I might have a chance if givin a little more time to settle the island (and to build a huge army of swordsmen.

Oh well. That's my story so far. I'll keep you all updated. I stopped at 10 AD. I'm glad I have Iron and I'd be willing to share with the Romans if I could just find a way to make him an ally. If I can, then hopefully I can hang on to that iron supply.

BTW how can I take screenshot?

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UPDATE

- 30 AD. The barbarian raids crippled the Greece people's chances of surviving a war against the Romans. The Romans demanded the city of Corinth in exchange for peace. Sigh, the Greeks agreed with hopes that one day the people of Corinth would revolt again.

- 210 AD. A route is finished being constructed that will supply of all of Greece with Iron. Sparta is giving the honor of producing the first unit of swordsman.

- 300 AD. A revolutionary war begins! One of the many lords residing in the country took up arms with the others in order to form a monarchy. The country is thrown into civil disorder.

- 320 AD. The war ends and Greece becomes a monarchy. The new lord pledges war against the Romans in the future. The new king then eats a doughnut.

- 340 AD. Delphi is founded on the northwestern penninsilla. It promises to bring spice to the people of Greece.

- 360 AD. Greeks first sailing vessels head north along the west coast in search of land, people or luxeries.

- 370 AD. First unit of swordsmen is finally formed. Decide to hold off production unitil the troops can be properly trained and plans are worked out to furnish special cities with barracks.

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King of Greece,
Endureth

 

[Matrix]

Please read my PM, Endureth. I've merged your (other?) diary with the common spoiler thread.

 

[Matrix]

Originally posted by Endureth
BTW how can I take screenshot?

Quite simple actually: just press the button "Print Scrn" and paste in Paint, or any other imaging program.

 

[Endureth]

- 540 AD. Made a trade with Romans for Mathematics.

- 580 AD. I hooked up my spices and immediately traded them to the Romans for horses. He had spices within his borders but they weren't hooked up yet. It's almost like getting free horses.

- 670 AD. Established contact with the French, Germans, Chinese, Indians, Russians, English, Japanese, and the Aztecs. Add me and the Romans, that's all 10 civs.

- 690 AD - 860 AD. War with the Romans starts. I have a good amount of troops. About 15 total and have two cities that can pump out swordsmen and horsemen in 2 turns. I think I have enough. I attack the romans in 4 different places. They retaliate and cities change hands. I end up with two Roman jungle cities while he takes three key cities. In the process he takes all my spices and cuts the main of my empire from my iron. I still have the cities but no access to the resources. I re-think my plans and ask for peace.

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Notes: In 780 AD the Russians completed Copernicus' Observatory. I still wasn't out of the Ancient Era. By the looks of things, many of the Civs will be modern while I'm still ancient. They simply won't trade with me because I have nothing to offer. I don't foresee this game lasting long but I'll keep trying.

Endureth

 

[benjdm]

I'm trying this GOTM for the first time this month. Man, this is tough. The Romans are dominating me. I did manage to build two wonders, Colossus and Great Lighthouse. 10 A.D. I am way far behind. Haven't run into anyone else yet.

 

[vihutuo]

Still haven't gone to war with the Romans. It's 600ad. I have met all the 10 civs cos i could build the Lighthouse. The Romans know only me since their triremes cannot cross the sea.They are quite backwards.

BTW I am the tech leader. I am selling techs and getting oodles of gold. I have put science at 100% and am getting 100+ gold per turn . Researching Banking now.

 

[Sixpak]

My first post:

Well, I've never considered myself a great Civ player, but I always thought I was at least good. Apparently I have been quite mistaken about my own abilaties. The Romans are in complete control of our little continent.

Anyway, is it against the rules of the GOTM to start over from scratch or am I doomed to forever make ludicrous payments to the Romans in vain hopes of staving off war?

Anyway, I've been a fan of the Civ series since Civ I, just never joined any kind of group. Love the site, like what I been reading from all of you various folk's messages, and just had to sign up and say "hello"

 

[Thunderfall]

I am in 760 AD, just signed a peace treaty with the Romans after 1000 years of "barbaric" war. The Romans were attacking my cities with numerous legions and one of my size 6 cities was razed. I was doing extremely bad. The dramatic turning point of my game came at around 600 AD. when I captured the Roman size 6 city of Pomeii with 5 or 6 units (mostly archers and hoplites).

After moving one unit into the captured city, I sold Pomeii to the Indians for 40 Gold/Turn, 400 Gold in cash, 2 techs, contact with the Germans, world map, and territory map. After the trade, I immediately moved another unit into Pomeii to recapture it from the Indians, then I sold it to the Germans for 300 Gold, 45 Gold/Turn, 2 techs, contact with the Russians, and maps! Then I moved another unit into Pompeii, sold it to the Russians, got tons of cash and 1 or 2 techs, and contact with the Chinese. I repeated the process to recapture the city and sell it to new contacts. I did all these crazy trades in just a few turns.

The results of these trades are dramatic: I have tons of money in the treasury, have all the techs other civs have (before the trade my science was really backward), know all Civs' world map and territory map, and of course, now all other Civs REALLY hate me and they signed nemerous military alliance against my civ. But I have no regrets. This strategy is extremely powerful. The extra money I got from selling and reselling Pomeii pretty much financed my war with the Romans. I was able to rush-built lots of hoplites, swordsmans, and longbowman every turn and eventually forced the Romans to sign a peace treaty.

The Indians just uploaded 2 War Elephants near Athens...

 

[Essex]

Damn it sux not being able to trade techs early, slows me down immensely. Finally got contact with the English and Chinese at around 400 AD after building the Great Lighthouse and sending out a couple of triremes. Thankfully I expanded directly at the romans and I have them pretty well contained and lower in tech. The rampaging barbs thing is pretty nasty too. In 50 AD no fewer than 58 barbarian horses came at me. I gave all my money to the Romans so when i wipe them out in about 200 years or so I can get it back. Can't get money back from barbarians Interesting thing in my game, I have a city by the only 2 iron sources and in the last 200 years 2 new sources have popped up right beside the 2 original. I'm researching feudalism now and I figure once I get Chivalry, Knights shouldn't have any problem wiping out a civ with no iron Probably just broker like mad once the Romans are gone and I should be able to take my pick of vicotries after that. Gonna be slow though.

Good luck all

 

[catsar]

This has been the first game for me as well, and its been the most interesting yet.

I thought i was doing all right, equal in power and tech to the romans hadn't met the rest of the world.

Then the indians built the lighthouse and sent over a galley to our island. The first turn i met them i found out while me and the romans where in the ancient era the rest of the world was rapidly approaching the industrial age.

Lucky for me i had managed to get the great library and in 1 turn i cought up with the tech leaders and even managed to get ahead of a few civs.

Unfortunatly at that time i discovered the romans had all the iron and saltpeter on the island and nobody else would trade with me so my best units were longbowmen.

After a lot of diplomacy i convinced the english to trade the only alternative source of iron with me for 2 luxurys, 500 gold and contact with the aztecs. Nobody would give me saltpeter though

i spent 200 years building knights and then attacked the romans. Took their city which had access to iron so they could no longer build any decent units. then went on a rampage killing all their legionares. Next i took the saltpeter and am just about to upgrade my knights to cavalry.

Only problem i have now is war weariness, wish i'd stuck with monarchy instead of republic.

 

[vihutuo]

<i> originally posted by thunderfall</i>
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After moving one unit into the captured city, I sold Pomeii to the Indians for 40 Gold/Turn, 400 Gold in cash, 2 techs, contact with the Germans, world map, and territory map. After the trade, I immediately moved another unit into Pomeii to recapture it from the Indians, then I sold it to the Germans for 300 Gold, 45 Gold/Turn, 2 techs, contact with the Russians, and maps! Then I moved another unit into Pompeii, sold it to the Russians, got tons of cash and 1 or 2 techs, and contact with the Chinese. I repeated the process to recapture the city and sell it to new contacts. I did all these crazy trades in just a few turns.
</b>

Isn't this cheating???
Not very different from the million dollar bug

 

[Thunderfall]

Originally posted by vihutuo


Isn't this cheating???
Not very different from the million dollar bug

I don't consider it cheating. It's just like selling techs and world map to everyone on your contact list. You could sell tech and resources to other Civs for an outrageous amount, especially late in the game.

Because all other Civs will hate you for doing that for a <I>very long time</I>, the crazy city-selling strategy is very risky (and not feasible) if you are on the same continent with several other Civs. You really don't want to make that many enemies under normal circumstance because you could actually lose more in the long run. Also realize that once you resell the city to another Civ, you lose all the Gold/Turn payment from previous Civs you sold that city to.

 

[vihutuo]

Technically it's not a cheat but still....

Some people trade their resources for techs and cash just before declaring war.

I think all these make the game less fun.

But everyone's idea of fun is different .

 

[Matrix]

We can't convict people for being inventive...

 

[vihutuo]

Another variation of the same trick is to sell a size 1 city near one of your big cities. After a few turns you can assimilate the city culturally without going to war.

 

[vihutuo]

BTW I have just finished the GOTM #2. Diplomatic victory in 1600ad. Not a very good score.

My war with the Romans stunted the growth of my cities.

Am i first guy to finish??

 

[Karl Marx the Penguin]

All I can say about this GOTM is:


Thank you for a river!!



In the first GOTM I wasn't able to irrigate until I was able to go and conquer a few Northern Aztec cities which had square irrigated. That was only a few years before I discovered electricity.

At least there is a river and everything is good.

Greeks: Commerical and Scientific

The Persians were commercial

So I was hoping I could try out two new abilities
but ...

Pangea, 9 civs, raging barbarians!!!!!!!! on MONARCH!!

WAR!!!

With an unmillitaristic civ

At least we have a good defender

 

[BurnPoodle]

Well... maybe its because im bad but... hahahha! its impossible =(

I was pumping settlers with 3 cities non-stop.. I had 10 cities... and when I buyed the territory map of the romans, they had 22 in 745 BC.... what a JOKE!

thats not even fun =(

This is where I said to myself, well I can maybe win by culture, but, 10 minutes later, it was written : A raging horde of barbarian rise near a city... guess what, there was 30 horsemens and my cities were defended with 1 hoplite.... result : 4 city with no more pop and 0 gold.

monarch is too much for me =(

 

[Sman]

Stupid Ceaser demanded some techs from me and I said no and he killed me... I got killed!!. he handed my ass to me!!! Oh well that is what I get after jumping from cheiften to monarch... but I'm gonna play everyday until I get good enough to enter the gotm.. btw.. I'm going to start playing warlord today so I'm headed in the right direction..