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Civ 5: Civilizations/Leaders Wanted!

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Camikaze, Jul 26, 2011.

  1. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Deity

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    It's Lord of the Rings

    And that's a -huge- exaggaration
    Kalevala might inspired Tolkien to a little extent, but even then it was among the many things that inspired him
    Btw, what's more interesting IMO: Tolkien learned finnish, and the finnish language was the main inspiration for the high-elven language
    (this time it's really the main inspiration, unlikely to the Kalevala :p)
     
  2. MARDUK80

    MARDUK80 Prince

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    @AbsintheRed

    :) Thanks for the correction. Guess it's just a typo. I posted yesterday just about that in the other thread, quoted here incase you missed it:

     
  3. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Deity

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    No prob, actually I really like the Kalevala
    I only posted because saying that Tolkien based LotR on it was a little much for me ;)
     
  4. janboruta

    janboruta Artistriarch

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    My idea for a country / civ not represented at all.

    Lithuania
    Leader: Mindaugas or Gediminas
    Capital: Vilnius
    Starting Bias: River/Forest/Grassland
    Music Theme: ?
    Unique Unit: Yotvingian (Sudovian) Warrior. Strength: 10. Moves: 2. Requires Iron. Replaces Swordsman. Starts with Woodsman promotion. Spreads Lithuanian religion in cities up to 2 tiles away.
    Unique Improvement: Sanctuary. Unlocked at Calendar. Can be built only in Forests and provides +1 Faith. Gains additional +1 Faith with Theology. Sanctuaries built by a river provide +1 Gold with Banking.
    Unique Ability: Sacred Grounds. Lithuanian religion cannot be removed from Lithuanian cities by other civilization's Inquisitors. Great Prophet spawns immediately after reaching the needed amount of Faith.

    Yotvingian Warrior's strength would be adjusted to the changes brought by Gods and Kings, but because we know very little about those changes, I used vanilla scale.
     
  5. GenjiKhan

    GenjiKhan Emperor

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    What is the inspiration for this UA?
     
  6. janboruta

    janboruta Artistriarch

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    Lithuania was one of the last large European country to convert to Christianity (1387 AD), and it opposed missionaries for quite a long time. Also, prolonged wars against the Teutonic Order had religious causes, although political one soon followed. Samogitian pagans continued their old religion even into the 16th century in some areas or remote villages.

    King Mindaugas adopted Christianity in 13th century, but even probably before his death he reverted to paganism, and the whole country with him. The UA I proposed tries to reflect this stubborness in keeping old religion, while the early Great Prophet is there to ensure that Lithuania will pick a religion as soon as possible - so it won't be stolen by other AI.
     
  7. AbsintheRed

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    I would use another UA which is more connected to paganism - thus the pantheon part of the new religious system
     
  8. GenjiKhan

    GenjiKhan Emperor

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    I think that a better UA to reflect this history would be:

    - Unique Ability: Sacred Grounds. Pantheons doesn't get obsolete and replaced when Lithuania gets religion .

    Then you can add something not so overpowered as a predictable Great Prophet to complement this UA .
     
  9. That nerdy kid

    That nerdy kid Vampire Slayer Slayer

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    I would give lithuania a horse based UU, seeing as they managed to kill teutonic knights for decades with light cavalry. Maybe a horseman replacement?
     
  10. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    You always get to keep your Pantheon ability.
     
  11. janboruta

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    I wanted to create something similar - that the original Pantheon becomes the new religion directly, without a Great Prophet. But then it would be the same as a 100%-chance of spawning a GP as soon as you accumulate enough Faith, only the lightning bolt symbol would stay the same. Maybe a unique Belief tree? But this would require a lot of work.

    I wanted to avoid another horseman or knight UU. Instead I thought it would be good to represent another Baltic tribe, like the Picts being part of the Celtic army. However I would like to keep the "spread religion" ability, even in horse UU.
     
  12. That nerdy kid

    That nerdy kid Vampire Slayer Slayer

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    while I understand where you are coming from, Lithuania grew large by defeating the mongols - using light cavalry that could catch up to the horse archers
     
  13. janboruta

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    Not only by defeating the Mongols / Tartars, but also by allying with or demanding loyalty of Russian petty dukes. The large Lithuanian empire of the 14th-15th century had very little in common with Lithuanian native, tribal culture. In fact, it was the various Russian languages that became official language of the country and even crept into the offices in Vilnius. Therefore, I intended to avoid any inconsistencies and keep the idea of Lithuanian civ within the "pagan" boundaries of Lithuania Proper and Samogitia, not Orthodox Christian statelets that were incorporated into the Lithuanian Grand Duchy.

    But of course, you have the point about their light cavalry. It was very effective in harassing the enemy, hit-and-run, and scouting. I don't have idea, however, in which field it could be as unique as contemporary Keshik. But you've got to admit, they looked really cool: http://s18.postimage.org/ybertpsh3/454568.jpg
     
  14. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    BTW, thinking about Sweden a little more. I think it should just be "all new cities increase cost of social policies 20% less than with other civs." By itself, I think this is quite good. It's the only one that gives cheaper social policies even for conquered cities. Furthermore, it would stack with the social policy that does this.

    I don't think the reduced unhappiness for conquest is necessary.
     
  15. That nerdy kid

    That nerdy kid Vampire Slayer Slayer

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    How about the Lithuanian Horseman or knight replacement gets 5 movement but -1 strength + bonus on open ground (shock 1 I think)
     
  16. chrissifniotis

    chrissifniotis GoogleCiv 2.0.0 coming...

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    Gees! A week hiatus and the world has changed!
    I've learnt my lesson; no more real life for me! :D
     
  17. Daniar

    Daniar Chieftain

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    Kazakh Khanate (1465-1847).

    Spoiler Kazakh Khanate Flag :


    Ability:
    Separatism - Nearest cities can be joined to civilization.

    The territory of the Kazakh Khanate was about 10-20% more than the Republic of Kazakhstan.
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    - Leader - Kasym Khan.

    Spoiler Wiki :
    During the reign of Kasym Khan, the territories of the Kazakh Khanate expanded considerably. As Mirza Muhammad Haidar Dughlat later wrote in his Tarikh-i-Rashidi, "Kasym Khan now brought the Dasht-i-Kipchak under his absolute control, in a manner that no one, with the exception of Jochi, had ever done before. His army exceeded a thousand thousand". Kasym Khan instituted the first Kazakh code of laws in 1520, called "Қасым ханның қасқа жолы" (transliterated, "Qasım xannıñ qazqa jolı" — "Bright Road of Kasym Khan").


    Unique Unit - Batyr's (Knight). Unit powerful against melee units.
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    Building - "Kesene" (Mausoleum). (replaces Temple) + 25% culture .
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    Spoiler City List :
    Capital = Turkistan;
    Siganak;
    Almaty;
    Taraz;
    Sauram;
    Sayram;
    Otrar;
    Tashkent (was captured);
    Saraishyk;
    Balasugin;
    Orda-Bazar;
    Karagandy;
    Oskemen;
    Shymkent;
    Pavlodar;
    Akmola (Astana);
    Semey;
    Baikonur;
    Atyrau;
    Kostanay;
    Taldykorgan;


    Spoiler Some History=) :
    The first intensive Jungar raids started exactly from Zhetysu under the name of “battle on Orbulak” and it took place on the right bank of Ily in 1643. Yesim’s son Jahangir who participated in the battle along with his warriors which constituted 600 people defeated Jungar troops constituting 50 thousand people.


    I've already suggested it in this thread, sorry if I repeat). And so it is unlikely dream, but after the Polynesians can be expected even Orcs).
     
  18. MARDUK80

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    Yeah, you've made a valid suggestion with this one. I'll modify the Swedish UA accordingly. :)

    I tried to come up with alternate UAs to go with the new Faith mechanism (Sweden should be a Religious Civ to some extent) and the Borg UI:

    "Sweden has increased attack strength against Cities with (same?) Religion."

    This would fit perfectly for the concept of mass spreading your religion and creating a wide Empire through military conquests. First build "dozen" Borgs for land grab and to spread your Faith to neighboring City States and Civs (send Missionaries if/where needed) and then Annex them :)

    Other idea was "a Golden Age is triggered every time Sweden Conquers another Civ (Capital)". This would go well with the reduced unhappiness from Annexed Cities.

    Though perhaps these would make Sweden a bit too Militaristic Civ. Gamling made a good point about production/gold bonuses, but guess we will go with the Louis Swedish Liberalism UA at least for now. :)

    To go in completely different direction with the UA; Kalmar Union. 50% more influence gained from quest and unit gifts. Mercantile and Maritime CS will occasionally gift you naval units. Also Finns have slightly increased rate of the specialist speed-up of creation of Great People.

    Interesting CS and Naval unique ability, would fit for Swedes perfectly, imo. :)


    @Daniar
    Cool images (I especially like the Batyr's) and nice way to present a civilization. :goodjob:
     
  19. Gamling

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    Gustav II Adolf founded Sweden as a mayor European power.


    Perhaps should Swedish UU be called Swedish brigade. An infantry unit replacing musket-man with a light cannon included in the unit, able to do both ranged and melee combat. Maybe that is to powerful. Else they could have as i wrote before light field cannon.

    From wikipedia:
    Sweden when it was largest. The conquered regions is marked in other colors.
     
  20. That nerdy kid

    That nerdy kid Vampire Slayer Slayer

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    Scenario: 30 years war or Great Northern War (IE: Birth or death of Swedish Empire?)
     

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