can you say, told you so? hehehe check out this link peepz http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3181540&p=1 Civilization 5 has delievered a rushed, pile of junk that despite some people's addiction to it, most people are not satisfied (just look through the civ 5 thread since game release). Regardless of it, Firaxis and all the design team is laughing all the way to the bank, i bet they are popping the champagne bottle right about now on how many sales they have accumlated. People, we live in a world where money is the driving force behind everything we do. Including this civ 5, it was either dumbed down intentionally to increase the fan base or it was totally rushed and not completed and unintentionally feels dumbed down for the majority of players. Regardless of this, I'm not on here to vent, but I just felt I logically wanted to state something should come common sense to most people out there. That is Firaxis with the complete dissapointment to most of its surviving fan base, will cause many of us to go back to our beloved Civ 4, Civ 3 and even Civ 2. We will live off the mods of that game as our "new releases" and enjoy that. Sure I bet some of you think 'well goodbye then.' Well u dang right goodbye, goodbye from civ 5 (at least until they improve with an epic patch that i will NOT hold my breathe for) and yes say hello to civ 4, civ 4 mods, etc. etc. That game is a timeless and i can play it so many different ways and not get bored. Civ 5 was something i looked foward to not just as a purchase of a game, but as something i can relive and replay over and over and not get bored. Civ 5 is a dissapiointment over and over i guarantee you Firaxis has LOST my business if any civ comes out of this design team, and if any expansions come out i guarantee you i wont buy it unless i see perfect scores on every review site thats not being paid off (everyone but ign and gamespot). Haha and that link i posted at the beginning said everything i need and everyone needs to say Civilizatio nhas FALLEN! oh well i'd slap that 25 year old dude so damn hard who made the game that his 4000 bc ancestors would feel it.