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[NFP] Civ 6 World Wonder for Domination Victories Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Duke William of Normandy, Nov 15, 2020.

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  1. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    This thread was approved of and sponsored by Gedemon and Browd. Many thanks.

    I forgot to add this earlier, but this thread will be a thread designed to see which Wonder is the best for a Domination Victory.

    Before you vote, please take notes of these rules and guidelines:

    • Wonders shall be judged according to the present game, which includes DLC, even NFP.
    • Your assessment and comments should be geared towards a Domination victory.
    • Assume that you are building the Wonder yourself, most Wonders are great if you capture them!
    • They shall be judged based on the assumption that this is a game against A.I. only.
    • Player Civilization will be random.
    • All map settings will be normal.
    • Game modes are to be assumed as not being played.
    • The difficulty will be as high or low as you assume and please.
    To make sure this voting procedure goes smoothly, here are the voting rules:

    • You can only vote after every 24 hours or so.
    • Each vote must copy the list of Wonders and scores from the post above, add one point to one Wonder, and subtract three points from another. If a Wonder reaches 0 points or less, the next voter must delete it from their list.
    • You must write down a reason for downvoting and upvoting a Wonder.
    • Votes should be highlighted in some way, be they colored, italicized, underlined, or boldened.
    • Incomplete votes are not counted
    • The non-voting posts will have to be deleted.
    Please be gentlemen in this thread. The rules for etiquette are:
    • Please don't take advantage of the "roughly" once every 24 hours. We're not all around at the same time every day, so I don't expect votes every 24 hours like clockwork, but if it starts sliding into morning and evening votes, I reserve the right to notify a moderator.
    • Please don't vote "vexatiously" by repeatedly up-voting or down-voting the same candidate. A few consecutive votes are acceptable if you're providing a good reason or it is part of the on-going conversation, but don't abuse this, or once again I will have to notify a moderator.
    If you're interested in the history of our Elimination threads, I link them below for your pleasure:

    NFP Elimination Threads
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/sneak-peek-at-composite-victory-type-rankings-so-far.661225/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/cultural-victory-elimination-thread-no-ss.661203/page-16
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/city-states-elimination-thread.660516/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/religious-victory-elimination-thread.659828/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/domination-victory-elimination-thread.658838/

    Previous Gathering Storm Elimination Threads
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...he-hands-of-the-ai-elimination-thread.656981/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/music-theme-elimination-thread.651945/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/diplomatic-victory-elimination-thread.650579/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/civ-unique-ability-elimination-thread.648643/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/gathering-storm-leader-ability-elimination-thread.649233/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/unique-unit-elimination-thread.647892/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/science-victory-gs-elimination-thread.654506/

    Before GS Elimination Threads
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/civilization-ability-elimination-thread.639612/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/leader-ability-elimination-thread.637762/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/unique-unit-elimination-thread.631713/
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/unique-infrastructure-elimination-thread.638688/
     
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  2. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    Here's the list of Wonders. The starting points will be at 20.

    Alhambra(20)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(20)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(20)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(20)
    Kilwa Kiswani(20)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(20)
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(20)
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(20)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(20)
    Sydney Opera House(20)
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(20)
    University of Sankore(20)
    Venetian Arsenal(20)

    Below this, I will write the rankings of the Wonders so far.

    1: Terracotta Army
    2: Temple of Artemis
    3: Kilwa Kiswani
    4: Forbidden City
    5: Colosseum
    6: Alhambra
    7: Venetian Arsenal
    8: Statue of Zeus
    9: Big Ben
    10: Casa de Contratación
    11: Pyramids
    12: Jebel Barkal
    13: Mausoleum at Halicarnassus
    14: University of Sankore
    15: Ruhr Valley
    16: Great Zimbabwe
    17: Oxford University
    18: Potala Palace
    19: Oracle
    20: Huey Teocalli
    21: Estádio do Maracanã
    22: Apadana
    23: Great Library
    24: Machu Picchu
    25: Kotoku-in
    26: Petra
    27: Panama Canal
    28: Hagia Sophia
    29: Colossus
    30: Chichen Itza
    31: Angkor Wat
    32: Mahabodhi Temple
    33: Taj Mahal
    34: St. Basil's Cathedral
    35: Bolshoi Theatre
    36: Biosphere
    37: Amundsen-Scott Research Station
    38: Golden Gate Bridge
    39: Statue of Liberty
    40: Hanging Gardens
    41: Mont St. Michel
    42: Broadway
    43: Országház
    44: Cristo Redentor
    45: Great Bath
    46: Meenakshi Temple
    47: Eiffel Tower
    48: Stonehenge
    49: Hermitage
    50: Sydney Opera House
     
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  3. Duke William of Normandy

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    I'll start the voting process.

    Alhambra(20)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(20)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(20)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(20)
    Kilwa Kiswani(20)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(20)
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(17) Let's be honest, Panama Canal is pretty useless. Not enough bonuses to even consider building, no matter the victory type you're going for.
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(20)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(20)
    Sydney Opera House(20)
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(21) This is probably one of the best Wonders for a Domination Victory. The free Promotion to all Land Units is just absolutely bonkers, especially if you have built several of them. Not to mention the free Great General Points you get.
    University of Sankore(20)
    Venetian Arsenal(20)
     
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  4. AaronTBD

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    Alhambra(20)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(20)
    Colossus(21)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower (17)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(20)
    Kilwa Kiswani(21)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(20)
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(14)
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(20)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
    Sydney Opera House(20)
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(21)
    University of Sankore(20)
    Venetian Arsenal(21)

    Venetian Arsenal (21) You can make double the ships by making one ship, that's a two in one deal!

    Eiffel Tower (17) This wonder is completely useless for a domination game, don't get me wrong, it's a great wonder, but in a domination game, what are you going to do? Look at the scenery that you got from destroying a civilization?

    Sorry for confusion
     
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  5. greenOak

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    Alhambra(20)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(20)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(20)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(20)
    Kilwa Kiswani(21)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(20)
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(17)
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(20)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
    Sydney Opera House(20)
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(21)
    University of Sankore(20)
    Venetian Arsenal(20)

    Kilwa Kiswani(21) - Best wonder in the game IMO. Admittedly I usually play on large/huge map sizes where Kilwa is absolutely absurd, but even on standard map size this wonder is amazing. Even if you don't get two science or culture city states in your game, a empire wide +15% to production, gold, or faith can be game changing - especially in domination. Furthermore, on standard settings, you'll be able to get the empire wide science bonus or culture bonus upwards of 90% of the time. Its much more likely you'll be able to get both the empire wide science and culture boost than neither. Its actually gettable on deity unlike some other game changing wonders like the pyramids which the AI seems to prioritize now. Finally, its located a convenient place on the tech tree as I usually want to get to machinery quickly anyways for crossbows.

    Stonehenge(17) - There are a lot of wonders that are pretty much never worth building (and even more when restricted to domination), but I'll pick on Stonehenge. In addition to being near impossible to get on higher difficulty levels, it isn't even worth it. It costs 180 hammers for 2 faith, while a holy site + shrine can be built for 124 hammers and will yield at least as much faith (probably more), and the difference will only grow larger as you progress in the game. Getting religion super early isn't necessary in domination as you'll probably want work ethic as a tenet and in my experience the AI chooses feed the world and choral music first.
     
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  6. Vargas1

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    Alhambra(20)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(21)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(17)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(20)
    Kilwa Kiswani(21)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(20)
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(14)
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(20)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
    Sydney Opera House(20)
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(21)
    University of Sankore(20)
    Venetian Arsenal(21)

    Colosseum +1 - even with the requirement of an arena, the Colosseum is still one of the better all-purpose wonders. And if you're going domination, the amenities can keep you in good shape for the vast majority of your game without much concern.

    Panama Canal -3 - as the first voter said, it's pretty useless regardless of victory condition.

    I think there are basically three categories of wonders that are valuable for dom victory:
    1) Direct bonuses to domination - Alhambra, Terracota, Statue of Zeus, etc.
    2) General strong wonders - Pyramids, Colosseum, etc.
    3) Wonders that make up for weaknesses of domination - Jebel Barkal to give faith and make up for not building holy sites, Big Ben to help fund your wars, etc.

    I'm curious to see how the voting shakes out - whether the overall strong wonders will stay at the top, or whether people think there are any wonders that offer specific advantages to domination that would warrant moving them up.

    Final comment, re Eiffel Tower - I agree it's not overly helpful for dom, but it's not useless - if you're like me and like to conquer rather than raze cities, amenities become a big issue later in the game. Eiffel gives you lots more places to build national parks and not worry about the amenities as much.
     
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  8. The Highwayman

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    Alhambra(20)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(21)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(17)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(20)
    Kilwa Kiswani(21)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(20)
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(14)
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(20)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
    Sydney Opera House(17) (20-3) To be fair, there are many wonders just as useless in a dom game. However this one comes so incredibly late the game is over before it would even appear in your menu.
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(22) (21+1) This is a big difference maker. Pump out a horde of swords, horses, or whatever you're going to be using the rest of the game and start gaining xp. Instantly gets all your troops closer to powerful 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier promos. Many of your units will likely already have a promo - so now those melee have +1 movement, horses can pillage for 1 movement point, etc. Easily being obtainable on high difficulty sweetens the deal.
    University of Sankore(20)
    Venetian Arsenal(21)
     
  9. CoconutTank

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    Alhambra(21) (20 + 1) Terracotta Army is most likely to be a big favorite, but I want to cite some other wonders.

    Alhambra actually gives quite a few benefits that are helpful for domination. +2 Amenities is small, but nice to have, and +2 Great General points per turn will be greatly appreciated. Alhambra's most relevant bonus is the additional red slot, which allows one's gov't to hold another military policy.

    Irrespective of what gov't one chooses to take on, being able to permanently slot Logistics and/or Conscription/Levee En Masse is quite useful. The additional red slot is similarly beneficial to other long-term military policies, such as those increasing strategic resource gain (Equestrian Orders, Drill Manuals, and Resource Management). Besides that, the additional red slot makes it easier to juggle short-term military policies, such as when one is upgrading and/or producing units.

    All in all, while Terracotta Army will help give military forces a big push to finish the job, Alhambra's benefits are longer lasting.

    The building requirement for Alhambra can be a bit hairy, but when I feel like I want to really commit to domination, I think setting aside an Encampment near a hill for Alhambra is definitely worth it imo.

    Statue of Liberty(17) (20 - 3) There are plenty of wonders which don't seem particularly useful towards domination, but SoL feels like it's particularly at odds. Free Settlers doesn't make sense for a warmonger that wants to capture other players' cities instead of starting their own, and the diplo victory points are useless for domination. In fact, holding capital cities will grant a heavy diplo favor penalty, which makes it even harder to get more diplo victory points. SoL's most relevant ability for domination is the 100% loyalty for cities within 6 tiles, but that seems like a very limited benefit. Where exactly does one want to put the SoL in that case, and will it have convenient access to the sea?

    Alhambra(21)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(21)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(17)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(20)
    Kilwa Kiswani(21)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(20)
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(14)
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(17)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
    Sydney Opera House(17)
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(22)
    University of Sankore(20)
    Venetian Arsenal(21)
     
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  10. Drivingrevilo

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    I think this might take a very long time with all wonders starting on 20 points; is it too late to change to 15?

    Alhambra(21)
    Amundsen-Scott Research Station(20)
    Angkor Wat(20)
    Apadana(20)
    Big Ben(20)
    Biosphere(20)
    Bolshoi Theatre(20)
    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(20)
    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(21)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(17)
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(20)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
    Hermitage(20)
    Huey Teocalli(20)
    Jebel Barkal(21) (20+1) In the scenario where you have access to *no* iron at all – fairly rare, but it can happen – Jebel Barkal gives you a lifeline. By the time you've built it, you've probably missed the boat on a swordsman rush, but it keeps open the door for Knights & Cuirassiers later on.
    Kilwa Kiswani(21)
    Kotoku-in(20)
    Machu Pichu(20)
    Mahabodhi Temple(20)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus(20)
    Meenakshi Temple(17) (20-3) Struggling to think of any use for Gurus in a dom victory. An extremely weak wonder at the best of times, and definitely irrelevant for domination.
    Mont St. Michel(20)
    Oracle(20)
    Országház(20)
    Oxford University(20)
    Panama Canal(14)
    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(17)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
    Sydney Opera House(17)
    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(22)
    University of Sankore(20)
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  11. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    Forbidden City(21) A free Wildcard Policy Slot is always a win, no matter the victory type.
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
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    Great Library(20)
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    Panama Canal(11) The Cliffs of Dover of World Wonders. The epitome of uselessness. If The Room was a World Wonder. The plain yogurt of World Wonders.
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  12. Vargas1

    Vargas1 Warlord

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    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
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    Kotoku-in(20)
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    Pyramids(20)
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    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(17)
    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
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    Taj Mahal(20)
    Temple of Artemis(20)
    Terracotta Army(22)
    University of Sankore(20)
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    Hermitage(17) - More or less no utility at all in a domination game.

    Kilwa Kiswani(22) - One of the best overall wonders. For domination I don't think it helps too much with the military city-states, since by the time you get it you will probably use faith or gold for much of your unit production, but it can send you eras ahead in science or culture to give you a leg up on conquering.
     
  13. goatdeer

    goatdeer Chieftain

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    Colosseum(21)
    Colossus(20)
    Cristo Redentor(20)
    Eiffel Tower(14) There are worse wonders, maybe, but this wonder specifically is very good for some other types of victory, but does absolutely nothing for world domination.
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    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
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    Statue of Zeus(20)
    Stonehenge(17)
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    Taj Mahal(21) Increasing the chance of getting a golden age so you don't need to worry about loyalty issues when conquering other cities.
    Temple of Artemis(20)
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  14. AaronTBD

    AaronTBD Warlord

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    Forbidden City(21)
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    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
    Great Zimbabwe(20)
    Hagia Sophia(20)
    Hanging Gardens(20)
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    Huey Teocalli(20)
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    Panama Canal First of all, can we please stop bullying this wonder? Second of all, It has one small use, it’s a canal. If your capital (or another improvement city with high production) is two or three tile inland, you can use it to make a good naval game.

    University of Sankore This wonder is pretty bad, unless you’re in team multiplayer, this wonder almost hurts you for giving away science and gold for your foes, and in a Domination game it’s useless cause you can’t trade with enemies anyway!
     
  15. kryat

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    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
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    I’ll back this argument. The Panama Canal is useful in ~5-10% of domination games to quickly let your navy move between continents. It’s rarely useful. But it’s more useful than something that is never useful.
     
  16. The Highwayman

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    Colosseum(22) (21+1) One can never have too much culture, especially early - mid game when a warmonger may be deprived of such. Hitting Mercenaries, Nationalism, Reformed Church for Theocracy, etc. along with vital policy cards sooner makes a well placed Colosseum a nice boon when it becomes available. The extra amenities will help your cities remain at least content while you pillage your rivals' lands. A good for all games wonder.
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    Meenakshi Temple(17)
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    Oracle(20)
    Országház(17) (20-3) Doubling diplo favor from CS suzes doesn't mean a whole lot when I'm -25 diplo favor per turn, especially when it becomes available at a tech I'm likely to bypass on my way to tanks and modern armor.
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  17. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    Broadway(20)
    Casa de Contratación(21) The extra Governor Titles are very good if you have already got Victor as an active Governor. You can just place him in a recently captured City and bang, it's already boosting your nearby Military Units and making this City more defensible. You can also grab Amani and plop her into an Enemy City-State which could help make it drop out of the war or even join you.
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    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
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    Hagia Sophia(17) Time for me to bully a Wonder other than the Panama Canal. The Hagia Sophia is a pretty useless Wonder unless you're going for a Religious Victory. Even then, its only bonus other than the extra Faith is Apostles and Missionaries getting another charge, which doesn't really give a lot of help.
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  18. Piranga

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    Chichen Itza(20)
    Colosseum(22)
    Eiffel Tower(11) - +appeal is non applicable to a domination game.
    Estádio do Maracanã(20)
    Forbidden City(21)
    Golden Gate Bridge(20)
    Great Bath(20)
    Great Library(20)
    Great Lighthouse(20)
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    Hagia Sophia(17)
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    Petra(20)
    Potala Palace(20)
    Pyramids(20)
    Ruhr Valley(20)
    St. Basil's Cathedral(20)
    Statue of Liberty(18) - The 100% loyalty bonus can potentially be great. Especially on maps with more islands. I have used this wonder, archipelago map, to once hold onto an enemies capital. Its not a contendor for a top spot, but does has usefulness in an offensive war.
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  19. CoconutTank

    CoconutTank Unapologetic Warmonger Supporter

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    Great Library(21) (20 + 1) An important part of domination is having strong enough units to maintain a strong military force. If one falls behind on science, one's units will become outdated and lose their edge. Doing timing pushes often involves not only getting the right units, but also finishing up an opposing civ before they can get units to counter with.

    With that said, there are just a few wonders that give science, and Great Library is an early one. While one is likely to be building many Campuses and wanting most Great Scientists, one doesn't necessarily want every GS, nor can one get every GS. Getting a random eureka from another player getting a GS is a fine trade and helps one move further along in technology.

    Mont St. Michel(17) (20 - 3) Mont St. Michel grants +2 faith, has 2 relic slots, and grants Martyr for free to all Apostles. None of that is directly useful towards domination.

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    Great Bath(20)
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  20. Vargas1

    Vargas1 Warlord

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    Pyramids(21)
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    Pyramids(21) - One of the best all-around wonders. Chopping out whatever you want or building up/repairing your captured cities.

    Sydney Opera House(11) - really just no use for domination at all. Only useful for one victory condition (and then marginally so).
     
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