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Civ V => Civ IV

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Φώς, Jan 15, 2011.

  1. Φώς

    Φώς Chieftain

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    My first experience with Civ games was about 4 months ago with Civ V . Currently i am a bit dissapointed and bored with it ( i liked it at first because i had never played anything like it before) and i was wondering if i would be able to like Civ 4 ( + all expansions good mods etc ) .

    My main concern are the graphics because i am a bit spoiled . If i get used to Good graphics ( i play Dx 9 all HIGH in CIV 5 ) i can hardly look at any other game . So is there a great difference ?
     
  2. aatami

    aatami Kuruth Urfarah, kuruth!

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    You will like IV if you like min-maxing and almost no variation. The graphics should be standable for you if you use the blue marble mod.
     
  3. joasoze

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    Just take a look in the screenshot section. In my opinion CIV IV is the best game ever made, so you should not go wrong there
     
  4. joasoze

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    care to explain that?? The variation in CIV IV is endless compared to most games. I have played IV for years and still havent tried all I want to try.
     
  5. Mahasona

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    I was looking forward to the 'improved' graphics on CiV and was hugely dissapointed!

    Mind you, I'd been playing Civ IV BTS with the Legends of Revolution mod. This is a combi mod including better UI, better graphics, texures, huge number of units and tons of other good stuff. It looked great. Perversly I turned off the Revolution element in options as watching a fractious capitol slowly preparing to break off from my empire was just too much!

    Several other combi mods include improved graphics so theres a good choice.
     
  6. aatami

    aatami Kuruth Urfarah, kuruth!

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    @joasoze: Maybe it may feel like that at lower skill levels... Check the link in my signature.
     
  7. lschnarch

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    What he wanted to express (not too successful, as I have to admit) is that Civ4 is a game in which you face variety, challenge and all kind of different tasks.

    In contrast to the falsely so labeled "Civilization" V (better: Panzer General light), there aren't not only different ways to win, but different ways to each of the targeted win conditions, too.
    When talking about "min-maxing", he meant that you have to be quite careful about what you do when. In Civilization4, there isn't the *one* strongest improvement (trade post), but a variety of those. So, you really have to put quite some thoughts into how to play the game.

    That actually is, what makes "PG light" so successful for the minority, who are still playing it: here you don't have to think much, therefore warmly embraced by those who in the past always failed in real Civilization games.

    Regarding the graphics: they are much more detailed, more animated and still less hardware demanding as what was presented by "PG light".
    For instance you can see which tiles are worked in a city, even if you've zoomed out.

    In total: if you're looking for a game which confronts you with challenges, allows for different strategies and makes you feel like creating a nation and steering it through the different eras, go for Civilization4.
    If Panzer General (the real one) was too difficult for you, you may stick with the current light version.
     
  8. DST1348

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    Hello,

    Turn based strategy games in general are not known for having state of the art graphics. The Civilization series always revolved around building an empire, not about spectacular graphics.

    What is "good" graphics is a matter of taste, so here I give my personal opinion. If you define better graphics as one that has higher quality textures then CiV is probably superior to Civ IV. However, I prefer Civ IV's graphics because of what I call the "immersion factor".

    First thing, the landscape in CiV is static. A lumber mill is just there, doing nothing. In Civ IV you could see it moving whenever a citizen was working the tile. A mine exhausts fire and a light inside a barn on irrigated field is glowing whenever these tiles where worked. This does not only tell you immediately what the city is doing, it also makes the landscape look alive. It just looks and feels cool when a former barren range of hills is turned into an industrious powerhouse of civilization.

    Second, things in Civ IV just look larger. I can barely see the units in CiV. My eyes are drawn to the unit icons. Instead of seeing nine cavalry units and having the "oh-####, nine enemy cavalries just crossed my border" feeling, I only notice one cavalry icon. That way I also loose the joy of seeing my army transitioning from axeman to swordsman to musketman to infantry to mechanized infantry. Instead it's just a swordsman icon which is replaced by a musketman icon.

    Even after several years of playing Civ IV I zoomed in an just led the camera fly over the landscape. The trees actually move as opposed to the sprite-like things in CiV. Oh, and the rivers are actually recognizable as such.

    The one thing that CiV has are hexes, which indeed make transitions between tiles look more smooth.

    You can also get the Blue Marble mod for Civ IV, which replaces the tile textures by textures based on NASA images from Earth.

    So, given that Civ IV+all expansions is cheap nowadays I would recommend you give it a try even though it's graphics resolution might not be as high as that of CiV.
     
  9. Windsor

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    I would say there is a big difference. And going back to playing a 5 year old predecessor is always a bit harsh, especially when you haven't played the predecessor before.

    However Civ4 might be one of those games new players might like, even now. The killer for old games is usually the interface, but while the Civ5 UI looks prettier it's not really more efficient to use.

    The difference between hexes and squares is very visible and Firaxis never tried to hide the fact that Civ4 uses square tiles. Base terrain in Civ5 really shows that it's a newer game, even if you use the blue marble mod for Civ4(terrain improvement, highly recommended!) which makes the terrain looks less cartoonish and more natural. In Civ5 I feel like I'm looking more at a real terrain. In Civ4 I'm clearly looking at square tiles, and they never blend into each other naturally. Mountain peaks are a pain in Civ4, in Civ5 they look real and mighty.

    However, not all things are bad. Civ4-graphics can actually feel more alive. First off, you can zoom in a lot closer if you want to. Cities gets buildings shown. When the warriors steps on sand, you can see his footprints, when he enters the woods birds fly up. The trees are swaying in the wind. Improvements are animated so when a mine is worked you can see smoke and fire from it and so on. Also, you don't get that ugly unit icon in Civ4.

    Here's an example with blue marble (not very flattering image as it's very zoomed out, but it shows how the square tiles really are squares and tiles:


    A few more pictures:
    Spoiler :






     
  10. aatami

    aatami Kuruth Urfarah, kuruth!

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    Sorry, but no... I don't like the axeman rush or tightly bundled city-hordes where you just build culture buildings...
     
  11. wioneo

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    Play Civilization 4.

    I judge the quality of a game by the amount of my life that has been unintentionally wasted playing it.

    It was not at all rare for me to only stop playing 4 when people started waking up, and that annoying sun thing started glaring.

    I think my total play time for Civ 5 is around 7 hours spread over however months have passed since release.
     
  12. Φώς

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    I would like to thank you all for your answers . I think i will definitely give it a try :)

    I just hope i don't get to like it much more than Civ 5 because i will have wasted my money for nothing on Civ 5 >.< :p
     
  13. MkLh

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    You should give it a try. A content in Civ4 is so much richer it may easily compensate a bit aged graphics. In Civ4 there are myriads of possible openings and ways to play the game and lots of interesting choices to make. Civ5 is just a simple war game where most of the buildings, wonders, policies, diplomacy options etc. are simply useless.
     
  14. Kaitsuh

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    Also check out Rise of Mankind and New Dawn mods from the modding section on these forums. They add a superb amount of extra content to the game.
     
  15. aatami

    aatami Kuruth Urfarah, kuruth!

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    @MkLh: Sori, mutta nelosessa ei ole totta. Okei, nelosessa tuo on totta jollekin aloittelijalle, mutta oikeasti, ei ne axeman rush ja culture-spammit ole mitään lukemattomia avauksia ja valintoja.

    Nelosen vahvat puolet ovat, että siinä saa mikromanageroida, säädellä prosentteja ja tehdä minimaalisia valintoja loputtomiin. Jotkut tykkää, jotkut ei. Kannattaa katsoa toinen linkki sigissäni.

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    Sorry, but that isn't true in IV. Okay, in IV that is true for a beginner, but really, the axeman rush and culture-smap aren't a myriad of possible openings and choices.

    IV:s strong qualities are that you can micromanage and do minimal choices with no end. Some people like it, some don't.


    This is kind of a reply to many topics, but it doesn't matter:
    Come on people. If you like something it does't mean everyone has to like it. A lot of CFC:ers are just shouting "Oh, the game is doomed because I don't like it". Well, apparently at least 30 000 (a month ago, has probably grown) people love the game and play it. Please, just let it be. Everyone does not play civ to micromanage an empire with small choices, I realise many people like that, but everyone doesn't. Check the bolded part in the shortly following quote.

    The game isn't doomed if you don't like it. Especially if the people who like it are an immense majority. The game is doomed if almost no-one plays it.

    Good quotes:

    Especially take not in the bolded part.
    In the end, it's about taste. I hate the fact that random people come here and start complaining about how the game is in a hopeless state and IV is a gem, and don't listen to other peoples oppinions.

    In the end,
    It is a matter of oppinion.
    Whether you like it or not, it's so.
    Some like to make thousands of tiny, inconsequential decisions, and some like making leadership decisions, each of which is important and meaningful.

    And even though I love V and think it is better than IV, I play IV still too. Both games are excellent, no denying that. They are just different games.
     
  16. MkLh

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    While an axe rush was often strong, it was never the only option. In many maps it was just as strong to expand peacefully, or not expand much at all, focusing building instead. I'm not sure what you mean by "culture-spam"

    In IV, choices were meaningful because almost all buildings, wonders, civics were useful in some situations, depending in your overall strategy and map. That's quite opposite to V where most of the options are always useless and never worth choosing.

    Right now todays peak is 25,654. Going down quickly?
     
  17. Shorlin

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    You are obviously clueless about civ4 so please don't make judgments about something you know nothing about. On immortal, a high difficulty, there are a myriad of ways to play through and win a game. If you do the same thing over and over without adapting then you are doing it wrong and ironically will have no chance winning on higher difficulties.

    Admittedly things become more restricted on deity, but deity is in another league to the other difficulties and only a small fraction of the player base can win standard games there.
     
  18. bryanw1995

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    you can still buy civ 4 complete for ~ $7 on steam right now.
     
  19. code9

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    I recently talked about civ with another friend. I recommended he got Civ 4, not 5. With all the mods out there, it can also look decent.
     
  20. bryanw1995

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    27910 right now and rising.
     

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