Civ V Cracked Already

[Siruss]

All I have to say is some people actually use pirated copies for good reason. Games now are one of those things that once you buy, theres no returning it. Whenever you buy other things, even go out to eat, if you're not happy most of the time you can get money back or something in order to keep you happy. When going to see a movie, dont you wish sometimes you can get your money back? Until they start making video games that are as awesome as advertised, people will always distrust the companies. I believe some people honestly download the game and if they like it, go purchase it. That may not be what the majority do. The companies should release the full games for free, for 7 day trials and then require a purchase to continue. Not a old version demo either.
I liked Mafia/godfather/etc games. Mafia 2 came out, my friend downloaded it, we played it and didn't like it. It wasn't BAD it just got boring for us.. It got deleted and thats that. We didn't waste our money which is important nowadays.
Point is piracy will always be around because it's a trill to people to break and figure out the security that's used now.

By the way, the game was cracked within 3 days of the US release, but that's because the best hackers are in China and actually Russia. Once they got their hands on the game it was cracked in a matter of hours.

 

[Kruelgor]

Now that I think about it, imprisonment is not the way to go because it would cost a lot of tax dollars to house and feed these punks.

I think the best solution would be to fine the perpetrators a monetary sum, both the government and the game publisher get a share from that fine. They wont be able to catch everyone, but they will definitely catch a considerable amount. It wont 100% stop piracy, but it will reduce it.

The perpetrators should also receive a criminal record which will show up on their job application background reports.

 

[vitalgirl]

I hated the steam aspect - took ages to install. i only have adsl because I can't get cable. what of those that have dial up? I had no idea when I bought it (in a store) that I would then have to download it to play

 

[Malecite]

I am really eating my words that I uttered 2 days after launch: "This is THE BEST CIV EVER, OMG I do not regret buying this at all".

Famous last words, god... always always always play the demo!

I am already bored with this game and cant very well sell a digital copy... now to wait for the mods, and god bless the pirates in their digital boats.

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[rschissler]

I am really eating my words that I uttered 2 days after launch: "This is THE BEST CIV EVER, OMG I do not regret buying this at all".

Famous last words, god... always always always play the demo!

I am already bored with this game and cant very well sell a digital copy... now to wait for the mods, and god bless the pirates in their digital boats.

Oh brother...

 

[Guardian_PL]

Illegal downloading will always continue until they start imprisoning the cyber thieves, which I fully advocate for since they contribute to destroying companies that make pc games.

All true fans of pc gaming should be virulently anti-piracy.

Yeah, and happily spend money on half-assed releases, let's not forget about that. Oh and believe in what the TV and government says.


I feel like an ass now for shelling 40GBP on a game that is broken, while a friend of mine has fun with his pirate copy, stating that when they'll fix at least AI and release a real "Deluxe Edition" - meaning patched, fixed and with few last DLC's he'll definitely buy it, but right now those money hungry arsewipes can kiss themselves ^^

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[Maniacal]

The threat of imprisonment will never stop 100% of all crime. Rather, it's intended to reduce it. I would love to see some punk kids arrested and tossed in jail for 90 days.

The USA has approximately 5% of the worlds total population, yet nearly 25% of the world's imprisoned population resides in the USA!

Now that I think about it, imprisonment is not the way to go because it would cost a lot of tax dollars to house and feed these punks.

Finally a bit of sense. Emphasis on "bit". The majprity of people illegally downloading copyrighted material are not 'punks', it could be pretty much anyone, including children!

I think the best solution would be to fine the perpetrators a monetary sum, both the government and the game publisher get a share from that fine. They wont be able to catch everyone, but they will definitely catch a considerable amount. It wont 100% stop piracy, but it will reduce it.

I think a fine is the current idea, the problem though is proving anyone did it and how much to fine them. However, the pro-copyright and record label companies have gone about this in the past years in such a horribly ignorant, ineffective and nearly-disastrous way they have failed horribly and don't even get the right people half the time. Hell, some anti-piracy are little better than the people they are supposed to target. ACS-Law is a recent example, they pretty much scammed people out of money even if they didn't actually do anything wrong. Some of the people they sent letters to had no idea even how to download music or do anything besides e-mail and checking the news or weather online, and many people challenged them back or made a comment about being poor and ACS-LAw backed off and marked the case as a false lead (especially if they said they lacked money).

This and what others have helpfully pointed out, is why the problem has to be dealt with on a social level. Piracy will never completely go away, but it could be reduced if people (gamers especially) made a conscious effort to condemn it and reduce it. Threating to go pirate Civ5 because you don't like steam is unhelpful and indeed hurts your cause and is kind of immature.

Yeah, and happily spend money on half-assed releases, let's not forget about that. Oh and believe in what the TV and government says.


I feel like an ass now for shelling 40GBP on a game that is broken, while a friend of mine has fun with his pirate copy, stating that when they'll fix at least AI and release a real "Deluxe Edition" - meaning patched, fixed and with few last DLC's he'll definitely buy it, but right now those money hungry arsewipes can kiss themselves ^^

Civ4 wasn't much better upon its initial release, bugs re relatively common for a new release, its simply impossible to get them ALL before its shipped plus they have to meet deadlines. Thats why there are patches, nearly every game has them. There is no difference between the pirated and non-pirated versions of the game except whatever the pirates did to Steam.

 

[PeterWimsey]

Here is a Canadian source.

www.prisonjustice.ca/downloads/toughoncrimearticle.pdf

Oh wow. You also just completely betrayed your typical American ignorance in your edit.

Your point would be better if you were actually literate.

Your site pointed to studies showing that *mandatory minimum* sentences don't have seem to have an effect on crime. Meaning that requiring the penalty for crime A to be increased from 3 years to 6 years (as an example) won't reduce the number of times that crime A is committed.

You've failed to offer any evidence suggesting that raising the penalty from nothing to something will have no effect.

 

[Blitz66]

Your point would be better if you were actually literate.

Your site pointed to studies showing that *mandatory minimum* sentences don't have seem to have an effect on crime. Meaning that requiring the penalty for crime A to be increased from 3 years to 6 years (as an example) won't reduce the number of times that crime A is committed.

You've failed to offer any evidence suggesting that raising the penalty from nothing to something will have no effect.

While yes, one point the paper makes is that longer terms seem to increase the risk to re-offend, it is not the only point the article makes.

Research clearly shows that mandatory minimums don’t deter crime. People don’t stop before they use a gun and think, oh, if I do this, I am going to get three years automatically in jail. Even the government’s own research shows this.

This also is a poignant point:

The United States incarcerates people at a rate six to seven times more than that of Canada and their crime rate is five times higher.

To me, this illustrates that incarceration does not have the effect on crime rates you seem to think they have.

 

[valrond]

Right. I agree for sure. DRM does not 100% prevent piracy, but it does reduce it some. As for those who do manage to pirate the copies then I hope they get lots of nice viruses with their illegal downloads.

No, it doesn't. Well, it may prevent the game to be copied a little sooner, and I say little, say, 12 hours. But if people want to play games for free, they'll find a way. If I wanted, I could dl CIV 5 from some torrent site, but I choose not to, not because I can't play the game otherwise, but because I prefer to pay for what I like and support the companies that do the games I want.

On the other hand, if the game has some kind of Draconian DRM, like Ubisoft has set on their new PC games, I just don't buy them, so it's a lost sale.

 

[orinsul]

No, it doesn't. Well, it may prevent the game to be copied a little sooner, and I say little, say, 12 hours. But if people want to play games for free, they'll find a way. If I wanted, I could dl CIV 5 from some torrent site, but I choose not to, not because I can't play the game otherwise, but because I prefer to pay for what I like and support the companies that do the games I want.

On the other hand, if the game has some kind of Draconian DRM, like Ubisoft has set on their new PC games, I just don't buy them, so it's a lost sale.

Its not not paying for it. But the DRM causes piracy too.

I bought the game, but im playing the pirated hacked game with an unopened shiny box sitting beside me [actually i opened it but still]. As I cant use Steam given the internet im on. And im not entirely confident id want to use Steam even if i could.

And if you give that choice to someone who doesn't care about pride in property, who doesn't care if they own something or not, if they don't care about being a thief or supporting the company then what incentive do they have to buy it instead of pirate it? If they were on the fence about whether to pay for it or steal it, not being able to play a bought copy would push them over it.

Surely making it so everyone can play unpirated copies of the game would be a better anti-piracy strategy than excluding half the potential players from being able to even install it.
By all means have a restrictive requirement to the official mod distribution systems or require registration to get patches. as that might stop piracy.
But to make it so a large number of people cant even play the game with arbitrary and bandwidth heavy 3rd party client requirement, thats not going to stop people from pirating, its going to drive them to it.
Alot of people cant or wont use Steam, so if they make Steam a requirement and not an optional extra then they shouldn't be surprised if the people who cant use Steam but still want to play the game are driven to piracy.

Lets just hope that most who are driven to it, do the right thing and buy a legitimate copy too, even if they never get to do anything with it. But I suspect not as well, to most people property doesn't seem to mean so much any more.

But would it have been hacked so fast if there wasn't such a demand for a hacked version? Did Steam slow down the game from being copied? Or did it give the hackers a challenge and put more of them on working on it? who knows.

 

[Blue Monkey]

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[Blue Monkey]

Its not not paying for it. But the DRM causes piracy too.

I bought the game, but im playing the pirated hacked game with an unopened shiny box sitting beside me [actually i opened it but still]. As I cant use Steam given the internet im on. And im not entirely confident id want to use Steam even if i could.

And if you give that choice to someone who doesn't care about pride in property, who doesn't care if they own something or not, if they don't care about being a thief or supporting the company then what incentive do they have to buy it instead of pirate it? If they were on the fence about whether to pay for it or steal it, not being able to play a bought copy would push them over it.

Surely making it so everyone can play unpirated copies of the game would be a better anti-piracy strategy than excluding half the potential players from being able to even install it.
By all means have a restrictive requirement to the official mod distribution systems or require registration to get patches. as that might stop piracy.
But to make it so a large number of people cant even play the game with arbitrary and bandwidth heavy 3rd party client requirement, thats not going to stop people from pirating, its going to drive them to it.
Alot of people cant or wont use Steam, so if they make Steam a requirement and not an optional extra then they shouldn't be surprised if the people who cant use Steam but still want to play the game are driven to piracy.

Lets just hope that most who are driven to it, do the right thing and buy a legitimate copy too, even if they never get to do anything with it. But I suspect not as well, to most people property doesn't seem to mean so much any more.

But would it have been hacked so fast if there wasn't such a demand for a hacked version? Did Steam slow down the game from being copied? Or did it give the hackers a challenge and put more of them on working on it? who knows.

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