Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

They've already as part of the marketing for this game said that it was a mistake to release a civ game without Genghis Khan, so he's presumably in, but we've already seen Mongolia. If they don't announce Mexico with a matching leader, it might lower the probability but not to 0.

Genghis could still be released alongside the Qing, maybe even Mughals?
As far as the Americas go it is just Mexico and America, which the latter will have Ben Franklin, so I would put those chances of another leader from there lower than other parts of the world.

 

[Nic@Melbourne]

We've already had a topic about Kahlo, and I think most of us concluded she would be a fairly bad choice.

Consider me the opposition.

 

[Bast]

I don't think modern Mexico will get a leader. I'd rather they go for someone unpresented like the Aztecs and go for Moctezuma if they need someone from that region.

 

[Xandinho]

Mexico definitely has a 10% chance of being correct. I think it's the safest choice if you want to reveal very little at this point. But then again, maybe they'll do a Songhai and reveal them fully last. I hope they are next as they're the modern era civ which interests me the most.

Me too. I'm always most excited to see never seen before civs debut. Civs I've already seen many times give me a sense of what to expect.

I suspect Mexico will be cultural and agrarian, with a focus on tall gameplay.

 

[Krikkit1]

Me too. I'm always most excited to see never seen before civs debut. Civs I've already seen many times give me a sense of what to expect.

I suspect Mexico will be cultural and agrarian, with a focus on tall gameplay.

If its Mexico of early 1800s it could focus on wide gameplay… attempting to control its vast territory (they could focus on tall because they failed to control it, but they make a case for a wide Mexico)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If its Mexico of early 1800s it could focus on wide gameplay… attempting to control its vast territory (they could focus on tall because they failed to control it, but they make a case for a wide Mexico)

Either way, that would fit the Expansionist trait since there are two branches (tall and wide).

 

[Krikkit1]

Either way, that would fit the Expansionist trait since there are two branches (tall and wide).

Well for the trait yes… but actual abilities could favor specialists (tall) or towns (wide)

 

[gdr_willter]

The worst leader choice so far is Himiko. An antiquity leader who is made to fit modern Japan and only exists in Chinese records. It's a dicey choice, even if she has name recognition. She's a Gilgamesh for all intents and purposes. I hope her portrayal in the game is in line with Japan, and not China.

Himiko is not a Gilgamesh case at all, you can perfectly catch the ancient Yamatai Japan with this great Leader. Historians already discussed about the records. She is cross checked by Chinese and Korean records (#), so it's more reasonable to recognize her existence. In Japanese record, her reign is covered by mythological empress Jingu. Based on her fictional biography which is not verified by other records, some historians claim that Jingu is the embellish version of Himiko.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I've just been thinking about this, and I think Mexico getting a leader is looking more likely than I'd originally thought. Currently we have 7 announced leaders from antiquity and 7 from exploration (including Tecumseh), but only 2 from the modern era.

I reckon we've got about 4 or 5 to be announced alongside remaining modern civs for the base game, and that'll be our numbers for launch

Problem i still have with a mexican leader though is it seems forced compared to other Latin American examples, and now leaders and civs have been detached, theres no need for a mexican leader. There aren't any Asian exploration leaders right now, not antiquity Americas leaders, so distribution doesn't seem to be a concern of the Devs, only "greatness".

The more I think about this the more conspiratorial I'm getting too.

All the first looks have been clustered by the era the the leader falls within, so all the antiquity leaders were released first, then all the exploration leaders, and we haven't yet had the 2 known modern leaders as they will presumably now be clustered together too. With 2 exceptions... Tecumseh as a leader during exploration was announced at the start, but I think that's because DLC trump's pattern. Himiko hasn't yet had a first look, but she was demoed for the switch early on alongside other antiquity announces.

So I'm feeling pretty confident that the remaining leaders are going to be modern (apart from maybe 1 further exploration of announced next), and that might give renewed hope to Polynesian leader stans

I'm going to go a step further too, so far ratio of classic to new leaders has been about 1:1, so I'm going to bet on 2 of Gandhi, Shaka and Victoria being announced, alongside 2 or 3 newbies.

 

[Krikkit1]

I've just been thinking about this, and I think Mexico getting a leader is looking more likely than I'd originally thought. Currently we have 7 announced leaders from antiquity and 7 from exploration (including Tecumseh), but only 2 from the modern era.

I reckon we've got about 4 or 5 to be announced alongside remaining modern civs for the base game, and that'll be our numbers for launch

Problem i still have with a mexican leader though is it seems forced compared to other Latin American examples, and now leaders and civs have been detached, theres no need for a mexican leader. There aren't any Asian exploration leaders right now, not antiquity Americas leaders, so distribution doesn't seem to be a concern of the Devs, only "greatness".

The more I think about this the more conspiratorial I'm getting too.

All the first looks have been clustered by the era the the leader falls within, so all the antiquity leaders were released first, then all the exploration leaders, and we haven't yet had the 2 known modern leaders as they will presumably now be clustered together too. With 2 exceptions... Tecumseh as a leader during exploration was announced at the start, but I think that's because DLC trump's pattern. Himiko hasn't yet had a first look, but she was demoed for the switch early on alongside other antiquity announces.

So I'm feeling pretty confident that the remaining leaders are going to be modern (apart from maybe 1 further exploration of announced next), and that might give renewed hope to Polynesian leader stans

I'm going to go a step further too, so far ratio of classic to new leaders has been about 1:1, so I'm going to bet on 2 of Gandhi, Shaka and Victoria being announced, alongside 2 or 3 newbies.

Based on the whole separation of leader civ, I could see Bolivar being a Modern leader.

Shaka I could see
Catherine (from the leak)
Fredrick I could see from ESRB leak (even if no Prussia/Germany in Base)
Victoria I could see (even if no Britain in Base)
Sun Yat-sen I could see
Gandhi would work …but it should be Indira so the nuclear Gandhi works

Menelik II (ethiopia) could be an alternative to shaka (one who lasted longer against the europeans)

 

[queenpea]

Do we have any hints as to when we could expect a modern age deep dive live stream?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm going to go a step further too, so far ratio of classic to new leaders has been about 1:1, so I'm going to bet on 2 of Gandhi, Shaka and Victoria being announced, alongside 2 or 3 newbies.

Shaka and Elizabeth.
Though I think it's more likely that Catherine the Great and Frederick the Great are returning.

Problem i still have with a mexican leader though is it seems forced compared to other Latin American examples, and now leaders and civs have been detached, theres no need for a mexican leader. There aren't any Asian exploration leaders right now, not antiquity Americas leaders, so distribution doesn't seem to be a concern of the Devs, only "greatness".

I'm not necessarily wishing for a Mexican leader per se, but one to do with Mesoamerica, such as Montezuma, or Latin America, such as Bolivar.

Sun Yat-sen I could see
Gandhi would work …but it should be Indira so the nuclear Gandhi works

I'm 99.9% sure that Confucius and Ashoka are it for China and India right now.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Do we have any hints as to when we could expect a modern age deep dive live stream?

Only that it's in the works.

 

[Xandinho]

Here are my guesses for what I expect for modern Civilizations:

America: economic
Buganda: administrative
France: cultural
Germany: scientific
Meiji Japan: industrialist
Mexico: tall agrarian
Mughal India: builder
Qing China: militarist
Russia: wide agrarian
Siam: diplomatic

If the British are in, I expect them to take the Germans' scientific slot.

 

[Siptah]

Do we have any hints as to when we could expect a modern age deep dive live stream?

Based on the previous streams, I would have expected an announcement by now, and the stream to happen this week. Since there isn‘t anything to see yet, I guess it will be next year?

 

[ehecatzin]

Kind of sad that they choose Mexico over Brazil or some other country that hasn't been a trainwreck for its entire modern existence. Granted that there aren't a lot of great choices in the region, but...

I mean yes, but also no. I we are going to judge civs inclusion by the worst part of their history instead of the best no civ will make it in. I'm thinking this Mexico will be modeled after the Porfiriato and post revolution Mexico, I would recommend Mike Duncan's revolution Podcast, he has an incredible multi parter about Mexico...and really recommend it It's probably the best account I've heard of the whole thing.

I don't think modern Mexico will get a leader. I'd rather they go for someone unpresented like the Aztecs and go for Moctezuma if they need someone from that region.

I believe that ship has sailed, if we were to get a mesoamerican leader I think the opportunity was back at Antiquity and Exploration showcases or at least a peek like with Himiko. We should see an Aztec leader for sure when they come in DLC.

You say this as if Brazil hasn’t also been a train wreck for its entire modern existence.

Hosting the World Cup and the Olympics were an exception, not the rule, for Brazil’s history. And also like the only reason Brazil was in the last two games at all.

I would like to think It's not the only reason Brazil made it to Civ (World cup in Mexico looms menacinly)........ It's behind me isn't it?

I wonder how much modern gameplay willl be revealed with the civ. Mexico presumably would have the cultural attribute some perhaps something about cultural victory.

Hard to pin point specifics without knowing much about the modern mechanics, my gut feeling is also on cultural/economic or maybe even cultural/militaristic if they decide to showcase the revolution more.

I wonder how much modern gameplay willl be revealed with the civ. Mexico presumably would have the cultural attribute some perhaps something about cultural victory.

Man I want to see some nods to early Mexico, specially the independence leaders, but I shudder to think they would add Santa Anna or just too much references to the Mexican-American war.



Anyway Mexico is in, If I'm honest if they were to focus too much on early Mexico I'd rather they had choosen Brazil or Gran Colombia with Bolivar, but instead we have Mexico. This leads me to believe that the modern mechanics fit things that make Mexico stand out. So if we assume things like railroads and industrialization, ideologies and great artists, I can absolutely see Mexico's design drawing from the Porfiriato, revolution, and post revolutionary artistic movements. I think we could see something like a "Caudillo" unit that's half military half cultural.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Based on the previous streams, I would have expected an announcement by now, and the stream to happen this week. Since there isn‘t anything to see yet, I guess it will be next year?

The last time Sarah gave us a heads up on a livestream, it ended up being about a month later, so I'd expect early January.

 

[Xandinho]

This leads me to believe that the modern mechanics fit things that make Mexico stand out.

Maybe Mexico gets a bonus for adopting traditions from previous civilizations? I think that makes sense.

 

[ehecatzin]

Maybe Mexico gets a bonus for adopting traditions from previous civilizations? I think that makes sense.

That would be really cool!. Im also thinking that if ideologies were a thing, Mexico could get a bit more flexibility to mix and match what it needs. (just throwing ideas no idea yet about modern mechanics)

edit. no but really thats a really cool idea it would make it feel like the melting pot it's always been.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Maybe Mexico gets a bonus for adopting traditions from previous civilizations? I think that makes sense.

Mexico's cultural syncretism is very cool. I'd be very pleased with an ability revolving around Traditions.