Civ1, the good old, reliable one.

[vladmir_illych_lenin]

With all these games with fancy graphics, confusing interface, sometimes I just want to sit down, grab a couple of cookies, and play a good game of CivI. Why? Everytime I play CivI, I get this special feeling, a feeling that I do not get with any other game. It makes me feel special knowing that stuffed at the back of my hard drive is the most reliable game that I can play over and over again. I can't really explain it, but when playing CivI, I just get this exited feeling that I cannot explain, and this drives me to play CivI over and over again.
TTG, some questions to the master of the masters:

When do you usually build your second city, not from a goody hut? Me-3500 BC
Third? Me- 3000 BC
What's your starting strategy?
I'm asking you this because you are the master of the masters, and I find starting out in Civ I more difficult than in Civ II. Thanks

 

[TTG]

Thank you for posting here. Not that I like answering newbie's questions (I do , but that part about being harder than civ II is great. In the future, I will quote you as part of my arsenal for condescending Civ2 freaks.

When do I build my first city? As soon as I can. I avoid barbarian huts until I have 3 or 4 well defended cities, however, because they can be dangerous. Once I have two cities, I adopt the following pattern for first-build for a city: militia-settler-barracks-phalanx-phalanx. The settler builds maybe a few roads then plants a new city at a good distance with no overlap. I continue this until I have colonized the entire world. Once a city reaches critical size, I adjust it's food/resources so that it stops growing, and set it to building only military units. Critical size is the size at which a city can barely maintain civil order, with no buildings or anything to help maintain it, except for the two phalanxes of course. This creates a solid wave of units pretty quickly, enough to conquer even the most powerful, advanced civilizations. When I have conquered the entire world, I set up phalanxes around the last enemy city and leave them there until the end of time, allowing me to disasemble my war machine and continue in peace. Only at this point, do I concentrate on technology (at the beginning, I just make sure I have chariots/triremes/diplomats, then I save my money for buying off tough cities). Then I just go for a perfect civ and eventually launch the space shuttle. There are other strategies, but none are as consistent for scoring over 200% as this one.

To answer your question about my starting strategy. No, I never have a *starting* strategy. I always have a complete game plan, beginnning to end. Not to say that my plans always work out as I intend, but when I adjust, it is to create a new game-long plan for success, not to play around with "mid-game" or "end-game" strategies. If by "strategies" you mean specific ideas for things to do, well I already meantioned a few beginning ones, but I can't really go into too much here. When my complete strategy guide comes out, you will be able to make use of a variety of simple and complex tactics for almost every part of the game.

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[vladmir_illych_lenin]

Mmm...I never got any city to the size where I can't maintain civil order. Thanks for the tips. I meant when to you build your [second] city. I find that by the time I created my first settler, the other civs have like 2-3 cities. Feel free to refer to me as a civ1 lover!

 

[CivPartisan]

When I play Civ I, I usually find myself not in the mood for a whole lot of complex management...I generally play the game as a conquer the world setting...I find it more challenging, since it doesn't have that particular as does Civ II...You see, I know that if I can build as many cities as I can right away on many different islands or continents, I can launch "attacks" in more parts of the world...

I like Civ I so much, I did the modpack for Civ II...I have friends that want to buy civ I now since they've seen the modpack...(Civ I really does do something for people).

Also, I've been playing a game with my son that has graphics that are colored differently, but remind me a great deal of Civ I...so I think that the screen view, graphics, and sounds have a lot to do with the addition to the game.



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[stellar converter]

Originally posted by vladmir_illych_lenin:
Mmm...I never got any city to the size where I can't maintain civil order. Thanks for the tips. I meant when to you build your [second] city. I find that by the time I created my first settler, the other civs have like 2-3 cities. Feel free to refer to me as a civ1 lover! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0>

i build second city as fast as possible. this leads to faster technologies and more gold+more units. when i play this is my strat:

build city
build settlers
build city
both building settlers
build 2 more cities
on the third settler, i start roading mining and irrigating, in that order.

build spaceship.

thats my strat. i also get this rumored special feeling when playing civ1, as opposed to civ2, and especially ToT.

 

[TTG]

The amazing value of Civilization 1 is not hard to understand. In one interview, he explains that he essentially started designing the game when he was a teenager, and it wasn't even his first game. He started out with flight sims before getting into the turn-based strategy genre (and dominating it!) If you add up the years, it's a lot longer than most games spend in development, which is never more than a couple years. By the time Civ 1 came out, Sid had spent more than half of his life planning and designing it. That can be said about very few games, and none of Sid's other games, including Civ II, which was developed at a typical pace.

On a side note, fans of the turn-based strategy genre may be surprised to learn that civ is not the only good game out there. There are some interesting others which offer a different spin on the genre. In particular, I enjoyed the Master of Orion games, and most games powered by Koei's classic TBS engine, including the popular Romance of the Three Kingdoms 1 and RTK 3.

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[vladmir_illych_lenin]

Stellar, you never metioned defenses! I believe Civ1 is better than TOT. Right now, in my game of Civ 1, I'm the Indians, my largest city of Delhi, has 12 people, 200 A.D., *despotism, 53$ per turn, 5 discoveries a turn, destroyed 5 civs, but they started up again! in North America!

*I like despotism the most because in order for me to maintain a large army, I can not sacrifice 1 production per unit!

 

[damunzy]

Originally posted by TTG:
On a side note, fans of the turn-based strategy genre may be surprised to learn that civ is not the only good game out there. There are some interesting others which offer a different spin on the genre. In particular, I enjoyed the Master of Orion games, and most games powered by Koei's classic TBS engine, including the popular Romance of the Three Kingdoms 1 and RTK 3.

Is Romance of the Three Kindoms 2(know to me as ROTTK 2) not powered by the TBS engine? I had no idea that they (Koei) had a name for the engine in the game. ALso, did Nobunaga's Ambition use the same engine? NA was my first strategy game. I played it on the Nintendo. ROTTK 2 was the first on the SNES, and CivNet was the first on the computer.

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[VanillaCube]

I have ROTTK2 and it is a very good game!

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[TTG]

Well yeah #2 is powered by the same engine, and no I don't think they have a name for it. TBS stands for Turn Based Strategy

Anyway, I just didn't like #2. It was too easy. #1 was the most challenging, but the interface in #3 is outstanding, making it my favourite of the series. I still really liked Bandit Kings of Ancient China, though, which was arguably the most difficult game on that engine, and L'Empereur which I liked for one reason— it takes place in Europe instead of China. All of the names and places are familiar, and so I found it a lot more exciting.

I have never played Nobunga's Ambitions. Is it any good?

VC, is that "cool book" thing your *signature*?

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[VanillaCube]

yes it is my sig.
and Nobunga's Ambitions is not very good if you already played some of the other koei games and are going back!
but it was a good game when it came out!


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[TTG]

OK, thanks. I'll probably play it now anyway...

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