Years ago I used to play Civ 4 obsessively. With the help of this forum I was able to get up to beating Immortal Fractals maybe 50% of the time. Then I stopped playing for a while and piucked up Civ 5 at last. Really enjoyed it, played fairly regularly for a year or so. Everything is so...simple and idiot proof, nice big buttons and colours, clear mechanics, loved the social policy system. Can easily beat Immortal, and Deity most of the time. Then recently I decided to give Civ 4 another go. Feels like I've gone from Checkers to Chess. The happiness, health, cottages, specialists, and the WHIP, everything all at once from the beginning, is making my brain hurt. Yet I can see what I've been missing all this time, such a level of depth, intricacy and calculation. The sheer array of potential strategies is amazing. Civ 5, although still fun, now feels like playing the dumbed down kids version. Anyone else feel similar?