There is no use in this Steam good/bad disscussion. There are Steam lovers & haters and arguments with technical details or examples personal good/bad experiences will not change their attitudes (The emotional part is too high). There are 2 solid opposite parties (none of them a minority) and that will not change. One side will be disappointed and that is currently the "no steam"-party. Steam is appropriate for certain customers and not appropriate for others. That's okay.. The bad decision is to force steam. The user should decide what he wants to use. If he choses "single player", you have to keep the DVD in the drive without steam , if you choose "Direct IP", everyone has to keep a DVD in the drive without steam , if you choose "internet play", you HAVE to use steam. Leave Steam to the steamers, let the others have their own way and do not force them to do something they do not want to do for reasons emotionally , by principle or what ever. Steam is not he problem with CIv 5, mandatory Steam is it. BTW: Just for the records: I belong to the No-Steamers-Party and yes, i informed me about Steam/Steamworks in the internet before saying so and asked a friend about his experiences. I'm honest enough to admit that Civ5 is too good a game that i can not stay away, But i will try to give Fireaxis as less money as possible , which means waiting with the buy, do my little part to deny them a good sales start with that and wait for a later cheaper collectors Edition.