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Civ5 - shipping with Steamworks * plus Digital Deluxe Edition

Discussion in 'News Updates' started by V. Soma, May 6, 2010.

  1. Lillefix

    Lillefix I'm serious. You can.

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    The deluxe version is only downloadeble isn't it? So you have to choose between Babylonia or the physical manual and box.
     
  2. cccv

    cccv King

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    I checked, the word gullible isn't in there.

    ....I'm sorry.

    But seriously, telling us if Babylon will be available for download independent of deluxe and for how much might (depending on the answer) help to put out this fire a little. Meaningful game content cut out and sold to us on top of already having bought the game isn't cool regardless, but for $2 instead of $10 it would feel less... rape-y.
     
  3. lobosan

    lobosan Chieftain

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    I like the steam client and service but have great issue with an apparent exclusive and mandatory steam client bundle with Civ V. I want competition between my electronic retailers (D2D, Impulse, etc.) and fear a Steamworks monopoly. That and having had some bad technical and financial experience with DLCs (Dragon Age, etc.) will keep me from buying Civ V at release time. Lagging a year behind release cycles has done wonders to my game enjoyment and wallet ;)
     
  4. arstal

    arstal Say No 2 Net Validations

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    You're probably right- but Civ fans might be more prickly then L4D fans- especially when it comes to DRM.

    I think this will hurt the game a bit, but not that much- my guess is they lose 5% of sales.

    What they should do, is six months down the road- make a non-Steamworks version for Impulse/GG to sell, and see how that does. That would tell you how serious people are about this.

    My anger isn't really as much at Valve, as it is 2k. I am sure Firaxis would not intentionally screw over Stardock- given the closeness between the two dev teams.

    The fact is, the big publishers, such as 2k/Sega/Activision want to turn the PC into a closed platform, so they can charge ripoff DLC prices and have airtight DRM that forces gamers to buy games twice potentially. Valve is more the beneficiary here, because they have good marketing and an ok service.

    The best defense we have against that, is competition in the DD Market, and not supporting anticompetitive measures such as this. You can't really ask valve to not do this- Valve likes money. Only thing we can do is enforce our rights as consumers by saying "no sale" to this business model.
     
  5. CivFanMUC

    CivFanMUC Chieftain

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    There is no "steam hate".
    It is simply a "2K forces us to use <insert 3rd-party-online-tool> to play an offline game" hate.

    Let steam be optional for Multiplayer (others than PBEM) everybody would be happy.
    Steam-Fanboys, for they can use their baby - as well as us who are not as enthusiastic about Steam.
     
  6. Bad Brett

    Bad Brett King

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    I mostly play Civ on summer evenings, on a computer that doesn't have Internet connection, in a house that doesn't even have a phone line. In other words, if I want to play the game, I have to drive 40 miles with my computer, install Internet on it, create a Steam account and then drive all the way back... Just to be able to play a game that I've already paid for. Its so absurd. It makes me angry when I think of it. You try to be a honest customer, and then they treat you like this. It's disrespectful.

    The game WILL be cracked a few days after the release. Then the pirates will be able to enjoy a Steam-free game that will run at all times and that won't require Internet Connection, while honest customers will be forced to install third-party software. Good work!

    I was so happy when Firaxis released the no-CD patch for CivCol. Even though I didn't like the game, I thought it was great to be able to play it on my laptop without the CD-player running. I thought that might actually have learned something; That DRM only hurts honest customers.
     
  7. mamba

    mamba Deity

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    That one is easy, I never keep the box and I never read manuals anyway ;)
     
  8. Aleenik

    Aleenik Deity

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    I love Steam. I'll buy Civ5 on Steam.

    The digital deluxe thing is stupid though. Regarding the ''extra'' civilization I mean. Babylon should be included in the regular version of Civ5, not cut out just so they can make more money. That is :):):):)ing stupid and complete :):):):):):):):).

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    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
     
  9. nazizombies

    nazizombies Chieftain

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    i like steam. you get to chat in game. well at least in MW2 you can.

    BUT that does not mean id like civ5 to need steam. thats just unfair to ppl who dont have internet.

    But that dosent mean i won't be getting it. i think ill wait a bit and see how much people like it. itll be a hard decision between civ5 or the new call of duty or the new medal of honour.

    i dont have a lot of time for gaming anyway:(s
     
  10. Rebel44

    Rebel44 Warlord

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    I dont understand why ar people on this forum so paranoid about Steam going bankrupt, stopping support, removing game from their server etc. - its not some startup company with 1000&#8364; total in their bank account.

    Steam have over 25 000 000 active accounts, its sales are growing for past 3-4 years over 100% year-to-year, they currently offer over 1000 games and almost every new game is available there.
     
  11. Tatran

    Tatran Deity

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    Very likely this will happen with Babylon :

    From Steam :



    From a Napoleon Total War forum :

     
  12. Rub'Rum

    Rub'Rum Hates acronyms

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    The fact that a discussion like this has to happen makes me cringe so bad.
     
  13. Soduka

    Soduka Warlord

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    Don't have that problem in New Hampshire, sorry?
     
  14. HamTard

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    Steamworks games CAN be sold on D2D/Impulse/GG (just like all boxed retail copies will have a Steam serial key for activation), those sites just CHOOSE to not sell it since it'll promote Steam.

    Steam has an offline mode. You just have to activate the game once.

    Steam is not resource intensive (uses less than 20MB of RAM in an era where PCs have 4GB) and has an offline mode. I bought Civ IV Complete for $10 on Steam since it was (and may still be for a few hours) on sale for $10 on Steam. It was cheaper than buying BTS and Colonization (I only have the vanilla disc) and now I don't need a disc ever again, even to reinstall.

    I pre-ordered the regular edition of the game. An extra civ isn't worth $10 to me, and I usually just play Random anyways.
     
  15. TCMIV

    TCMIV Barış Manço

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    You're assuming the game will lose sales because people don't want steam, but what about the people who wouldn't have bought the game if they hadn't seen it on steam? My guess is the game will actually gain customers through steam advertising, since people will see high reviews (assuming the game doesn't suck) and buy it on steam.
     
  16. arstal

    arstal Say No 2 Net Validations

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    Civ doesn't exactly suffer from visibility problems. This isn't an indie game.

    Wal-Mart is probably the #1 place people bought Civ (it was for GalCiv II and Sins at least according to Stardock)
     
  17. TCMIV

    TCMIV Barış Manço

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    A lot of people only buy games through steam though, especially because of the sales they have. You'll see a lot of extra sales around Christmas through steam because of the holiday sale I bet. More than enough to make up for the people who don't buy it because it's steam only.
     
  18. Pumpkinreaper

    Pumpkinreaper Chieftain

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    I wouldn't of known about Civ V being available for preorder if it weren't for steam.

    Also rather than wade through the masses on launch day, I'd rather preorder and preload (if available) the game on steam.

    You still haven't told us why you don't like steam. There's literally has been no good reason as to why it's a bad platform given by you or anyone else (sans the people that say it bricked their pc or that it takes up too many system resources, those are just outright ridiculous claims)
     
  19. White Elk

    White Elk 99 > 1

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    "It's not paranoia if they're really after you." In this case there is ample precendence of companies in better position that Valve currently is, going belly up for a variety of reasons. And I have personal experiance with losing music due to msn and yahoo music going out of buisness. At the time I expected those two companies to be rock solid. Didn't forsee any chance that ownership issues over the music we bought would ever be an issue. But it is. So I am once bitten twice shy on this. I was excited about the brand new way to buy media. I embraced the change. I purposefully supported this new distribution method by buying exclusively online instead of buying my music at used CD stores as I had done for many years. I spent more to get my music becasue I wanted to vote for this new distribution with my wallet. msn and yahoo flarbed me.

    Other points of concern is this battle between comcast and the FCC over net neutrality. comcast has won the latest round so it is free to slow and even block traffic to targeted sites and users. They can charge video sites like YouTube a premium so as not to slow down traffic. Gaming sites, particularly a large gaming network like Steam would very much be on their radar. comcast already throttles P2P usage. There is no solid reason to say that they won't also throttle video and gaming usage. And don't tell me comcast wouldn't due this due to fear of customer backlash. I am a comcast user and they don't give a hoot about us. Dealing with their customer service is a pointless and painful waste of time. They are our only broadband option. They will do what suits them. If they don't fix their overextension problem and unclog their congested pipes, they are likely enough to throttle particularly high bandwidth using sites and services. They've done it already. And they recently paid many millions to win a court case in order to retain their ability to do so.

    The bigger Steam gets, and it will suddenly get bigger by millions if the whole of the Civ community must join, the bigger target it becomes. A fatter, juicier, and more fruitful target to hackers as well. 25 million users who can make digital transactions and have their PCs open to the service... yep major hacker bait. And I hope that Steam has the needed infrastrucure to support the few million new users which they may suddenly get from the Civ community. Already I read talk of slow periods. I hope for all your sakes that they haven't overextend themselves like comcast has. What happens when they do reach a point when their servers are overtaxed? Wouldn't they begin dropping services? Being big brings its own sort of challenges. Their current success doesn't neccesarily give me any confidence. But their rapid growth as relates to overextending themselves, is a legit cause for concern. Even so, I do have trust in Valves need to preserve their rep. And I do see their market growing. I thought that about msn and yahoo music though. Stuff happens. Nothing new here.
     
  20. moopoo

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    I'll give you a solid reason why i don't like Steam - A) i don't like that i'm not buying a game, but buying the license to play a game B) I don't like that i have to buy 2 copies to play against my brother in the next room.
     

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