Civ7: Successors civilizations to Egypt

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

In the preview videofeed. Egypt under Hapshepsut (?) narratives demonstrated how Civ7 gameplay would be, including civ changes when aging up.
in this videofeed. Songhai is chosen.
AFAIK Songhai is slightly sub sahara Africans with Mali being their enemy. and their domain rarely touches Old Egypt at its peak... (and tooo bad they did not stood the Test of Time. First Persia finished them off, then Macedonian Empire under Alexander III, and himself the first Pharaoh in centuries, then his empire is divided among his Generals after his untimely death. with this Egypt went to Ptolemey, and later after Cleopatra VII's dangerous political games she hope to leverage the Rule of Alexandria over Rome, it turned out bad as Octavianus stood firm with Rome and overturned a situation, eventually finished off every rebellions and traitors and entered Alexandria victorious....
Egypt was firmly under Roman Rule, for roughtly half a millennia, and then Arabs under newfound religion-the Islam- brought their Gospel with mights of arabian riders in virtually every directions, into Egypt.
again Islamic Empire was divided into feifdom... and Egypt seemed to enjoy more autonomious rule under the Mameluke Rule. Feeding on systems of caravanasais and itself a landbridge linking Mediterranean with the Black Sea.

Mamluk Sultanate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well until Ottomans took Constantinople, and Portuguese sent their merchant fleet to India and Asia did Mameluke rule aprubtly ended in a revolution sponsorized by the Ottomans.
At the Age 2.
There were two potential successors.
- Ottomans (As discussed in the other thread)
- Mameluke Sultanate.
UU is Mameluke Cavalry. (Tier 1 or 2)
I'm not sure about their UC what should it be. they were merchantile civs though.

But not sure about Age3. though Egypt could return as Republic.
(and Free Officier will be UC)

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Mameluke Sultanate.
UU is Mameluke Cavalry. (Tier 1 or 2)
I'm not sure about their UC what should it be. they were merchantile civs though.

They could have the Madrassah if the Abbasids don't have it. Besides that, they could have the Sabil-Kuttab, and the Funerary Complex, and the Wikala

 

[FishFishFish]

The Fatimids or the Ayyubids would also both make sense for the exploration age.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I would second the Ayyubids. I'm okay with the Abbasids though.

Historically, the best choice would be the Copts. They had no empire of their own, but they are the successor culture of the ancient Egyptians. So, if a completely fictional idea such as Egypt into Songhai can be a reality in Civ 7, I don't see how simulating a Coptic medieval continuation would be any worse.

 

[Zaarin]

Historically, the best choice would be the Copts. They had no empire of their own, but they are the successor culture of the ancient Egyptians. So, if a completely fictional idea such as Egypt into Songhai can be a reality in Civ 7, I don't see how simulating a Coptic medieval continuation would be any worse.

I'm very in favor of eventually seeing some "what if?" civs like the Copts, Medieval Carthage, etc. I think it would satisfy some, "Why can't I play my favorite civ?" angst. Probably not on release, but it would make a great series of DLC.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Exactly! and the Copts can easily transition into the Republic of Egypt. The vast majority of the Egyptians nowadays are ethnic Copts and thus direct descendants of the ancient Egyptians!

 

[FishFishFish]

If we are willing to squint our eyes on what should constitute as a civ: Bashmurian civ

 

[ehecatzin]

I'm very in favor of eventually seeing some "what if?" civs like the Copts, Medieval Carthage, etc. I think it would satisfy some, "Why can't I play my favorite civ?" angst. Probably not on release, but it would make a great series of DLC.

And now by brain has been tickled. When civ VII gets to the same point civ VI was when it added vampires and mythical heroes, I'd rather they go for alternate history instead.

 

[Zaarin]

If we are willing to squint our eyes on what should constitute as a civ: Bashmurian civ

I don't think there's a good reason not to call them "Copts."

 

[Henri Christophe]

I don't think there's a good reason not to call them "Copts."

who should lead the Copts?

 

[Patine]

Exactly! and the Copts can easily transition into the Republic of Egypt. The vast majority of the Egyptians nowadays are ethnic Copts and thus direct descendants of the ancient Egyptians!

I think saying, "vast majority," here implies an, "ethnicity," is strictly genetic, and ignores acquired culture and language - a trope that quickly falls into far-right-wing revisionist myths.

 

[Zaarin]

who should lead the Copts?

Now that leaders are divorced from civs, I'm not sure they need a specific leader. For the sake of argument, however, I'd probably lean towards a Coptic patriarch like St. Dioskoros the Champion of Orthodoxy.

I think saying, "vast majority," here implies an, "ethnicity," is strictly genetic, and ignores acquired culture and language - a trope that quickly falls into far-right-wing revisionist myths.

While many Egyptians consider themselves Arabs and speak Arabic, there's also no denying that Egypt has a distinctive culture within the Arab world. While "Copt" has come to refer specifically to Egyptian Christians who belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church, culturally there is not a significant divide between Egyptian Muslims and Egyptian Christians (and linguistically there is none at all as Coptic is solely used as a liturgical language now).

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Disappointed to see such little love for the Fatimids

 

[Henri Christophe]

Disappointed to see such little love for the Fatimids

Fatimids are the best!

 

[Patine]

Disappointed to see such little love for the Fatimids

I prefer the Ayyubids, myself.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm very in favor of eventually seeing some "what if?" civs like the Copts, Medieval Carthage, etc. I think it would satisfy some, "Why can't I play my favorite civ?" angst. Probably not on release, but it would make a great series of DLC.

If nothing else, it would be to satisfy your curiosity of "What if the Phoenicians/Carthaginians continued on after Rome?"

Disappointed to see such little love for the Fatimids

I mean technically we did get the Fatimids in Civ 6, in the form of Vizier Saladin.

 

[Zaarin]

If nothing else, it would be to satisfy your curiosity of "What if the Phoenicians/Carthaginians continued on after Rome?"

Not really a curiosity when it's been my main creative project for about half a decade now.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I mean technically we did get the Fatimids in Civ 6, in the form of Vizier Saladin.

Vizier Saladin, an anti-Shia zealot who ended Fatimid rule in Egypt

 

[Patine]

Vizier Saladin, an anti-Shia zealot who ended Fatimid rule in Egypt

And founded the Ayyubids.

 

[FishFishFish]

A small benefit to the Fatimids is that they work well for the age system since they started out in modern day Tunisia, and then conquered Egypt, and then lost their Maghreb holdings. So they could conceivably be a successor for another antiquity age north African civ as well as Egypt.