Civilians have more guns than armies/police!

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Most weapons 'in civilian hands'

Civilians around the world hold more guns, handguns and rifles than previously thought, a new survey says.

Three times more weapons are held by civilians than by all the world's armies and police forces together, the study from a Geneva-based group says.

The Graduate Institute of International Studies' report calls for greater world co-operation to combat urban gun crime.

Uncontrolled urbanisation is leading to decreased public safety and increased levels of armed violence, it adds.

The survey on the spread of small arms says that out of the 875 million firearms circulating around the world, 650 million are held by civilians - some 200 million more than previous estimates.

What concerns the Geneva-based researchers most is the changing relationship between society and weapons, especially in big cities, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva.

In the vast urban centres of Africa, Asia and Latin America, wealthy citizens are buying guns to protect themselves, while outside the gated communities in which they live, drug-related crime and gang warfare are on the increase, our correspondent adds.

In Brazil's cities, the number of gun-related deaths is higher than that of many countries at war.

More control

The report also calls for more controls on arms sales, pointing out that many of the world's weapons exporters - among them Germany, Italy and the UK - could do more to ensure the guns they sell do end up in the right hands.

Keith Krause, director of the small arms survey, says countries need to be sure the weapons they export go where they are supposed to.

"Here there has been a lot of attention on the sale of American weapons to Iraq to re-equip the Iraqi forces. And the US government accounting office has expressed great concern over the fact that the United States cannot actually account for all of the weapons that they have transferred.

"That doesn't mean they have been lost, but it means we no longer know whether they are still with the people who legally acquired them."

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Do you agree with the findings of the GIIS' study, that we face more public safety problems and violence due to the proliferation of small arms worldwide? If so how do we tackle such a problem: on the ground (i.e. increased policing) or at the source (by targeting arms manufacturers)?
 
Let me summarize the way this debate is going to go.

US person: the world is indeed safer when guns are in the hands of civilians, that way their rights won't be trampled by evil governments, and they can better protect themselves against evil criminals.
Euro person: the world is indeed less safe now that guns are in the hands of civilians, since the more guns, the more gun-related crimes and accidents.
 
Replace "arms" with "drugs" in your question and you can figure out my thoughts on it.
 
I don't believe it, mainly because of China and India.
 
How are we to know?

As for my thoughts:

The world is indeed less safe now that guns are in the hands of civilians, since the more guns, the more gun-related crimes and accidents.
 
And that's the way it should be.
 
Saw this in the paper today, something else that was in the newspaper and not in this one was that there are 9 guns for every 10 US Civilians in the United States. That's why an invasion/occupation of the US would be impossible even if our military were somehow defeated.
 
Saw this in the paper today, something else that was in the newspaper and not in this one was that there are 9 guns for every 10 US Civilians in the United States. That's why an invasion/occupation of the US would be impossible even if our military were somehow defeated.

Believe me, if somebody managed to defeat your military, your civilian population would be a piece of cake.

Of course the occupier would have a lot of problems with insurgents, but that's another matter.
 
Saw this in the paper today, something else that was in the newspaper and not in this one was that there are 9 guns for every 10 US Civilians in the United States. That's why an invasion/occupation of the US would be impossible even if our military were somehow defeated.

I really don't understand this theory people seem to have. An invading force wouldn't play fair and engage the populace in pistols at dawn, they'd bomb you. If anything owning a gun = instant death in the event of an invasion.
 
That's why an invasion/occupation of the US would be impossible even if our military were somehow defeated.

Who would want to occupy what would by then be the worlds biggest nuclear graveyard? americans will need to start arming themselves with RPGs and SAMs not bullets. :nuke: :nuke:
 
Who would want to occupy what would by then be the worlds biggest nuclear graveyard? americans will need to start arming themselves with RPGs and SAMs not bullets. :nuke: :nuke:

Good idea. Excuse me, I need to contact a couple associates. :mischief:
 
That's the biggest myth there is. What a crock.
You didn't see "Red Dawn"? Hollywood = proof.
 
The implication in this report is that this situation of civilians owning more guns than the military/police is wrong. So someone believes the state should have all the guns? That's not exactly news. That idea has been around since at least Nazi Germany.
 
The implication in this report is that this situation of civilians owning more guns than the military/police is wrong. So someone believes the state should have all the guns? That's not exactly news. That idea has been around since at least Nazi Germany.

That's not the implication; the implication is that there are way more killing machines out there than we thought.
 
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