[LP] Civilization VI: Leader Pass - Discussion Thread

[Airman1991]

Did they say anywhere about how much it will cost on iOS? I’ve been trying to find the answer.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Did they say anywhere about how much it will cost on iOS? I’ve been trying to find the answer.

I would assume that iOS is grouped in with the consoles. Ed explained in the livestream that they were having business-end issues having it ported to consoles. Aspyr is the company who has done all the ports so far.

 

[InsidiousMage]

I would assume that iOS is grouped in with the consoles. Ed explained in the livestream that they were having business-end issues having it ported to consoles. Aspyr is the company who has done all the ports so far.

No, the Leader Pack is being released for iOS but it's being sold as its own DLC since Apple probably has some rules against giving away something like it. It doesn't seem like its being released at a different time but a price hasn't been announced yet, from what I've seen.

 

[King William I]

No, the Leader Pack is being released for iOS but it's being sold as its own DLC since Apple probably has some rules against giving away something like it. It doesn't seem like its being released at a different time but a price hasn't been announced yet, from what I've seen.

And Apple gives me yet another reason to not want anything they make...

 

[bbbt]

No, the Leader Pack is being released for iOS but it's being sold as its own DLC since Apple probably has some rules against giving away something like it. It doesn't seem like its being released at a different time but a price hasn't been announced yet, from what I've seen.

It may be Apple. It may also be Aspyr. I believe Aspyr is actually the publisher on iOS and decides these things. They might not have the same motivation to be giving away content for free for player goodwill/Civ 7 pre-hype - especially if say 2K hasn't actually given them any guarantees that they'll get console/iOS publishing rights for Civ 7.

 

[bbbt]

Oh lol, I just looked on Firaxis's careers page and they are hiring an "Xbox Graphics Engineer" and a "Playstation Graphics Engineer". That explains a lot - they may be looking to bring the console versions in house going forward.

 

[tedhebert]

Oh lol, I just looked on Firaxis's careers page and they are hiring an "Xbox Graphics Engineer" and a "Playstation Graphics Engineer". That explains a lot - they may be looking to bring the console versions in house going forward.

Midnight sun’s needs would seem more appropriate for these IMO… they are going live on dec 2nd but already 4 DLCs have been announced in the season pass so…

 

[Vandlys]

No, the Leader Pack is being released for iOS but it's being sold as its own DLC since Apple probably has some rules against giving away something like it. It doesn't seem like its being released at a different time but a price hasn't been announced yet, from what I've seen.

How do they handle updates then? Adding new features is done all the time without having to pay again. I don't see why gaming features would be any different.

It may be Apple. It may also be Aspyr. I believe Aspyr is actually the publisher on iOS and decides these things. They might not have the same motivation to be giving away content for free for player goodwill/Civ 7 pre-hype - especially if say 2K hasn't actually given them any guarantees that they'll get console/iOS publishing rights for Civ 7.

So you think Aspyr will not get paid if they handle the port, just because the users don't have to pay for it? That doesn't make sense. If Firaxis tasks them to work for them, they will have to pay them, regardless of the money coming in or going out from/towards the target audience.

 

[Linklite]

Updates are likely part of the contract. It's worth noting that Aspyr hasn't been fixing the game anyway, which might be a motive for Firaxis to ditch them.

As for getting paid, it depends on the contract. They could be being paid by Firaxis to do the port, more likely they're doing it via franchisement - Aspyr pays Firaxis for the the right to do the port and then Aspyr gets the income from the consoles.

 

[nzcamel]

Updates are likely part of the contract. It's worth noting that Aspyr hasn't been fixing the game anyway, which might be a motive for Firaxis to ditch them.

As for getting paid, it depends on the contract. They could be being paid by Firaxis to do the port, more likely they're doing it via franchisement - Aspyr pays Firaxis for the the right to do the port and then Aspyr gets the income from the consoles.

Is Aspyr's lack of fixing the game at all similar to Firaxis's own turning a blind eye to ongoing bugs?

 

[InsidiousMage]

I believe Aspyr is actually the publisher on iOS and decides these things.

Aspyr isn't the publisher, 2K is. Aspyr is only handling the porting of the game. They don't have any real say over what gets released when and for how much. 2K is literally paying them to port the game.

How do they handle updates then?

Because updates aren't DLC content? I literally said "something like it" as in, free DLC, not generic updates that Apple has no problem with. Also, the fact that you have to own previous expansions to get the Leader Pack for free might be the issue because Apple's system doesn't have a way to identify ownership across multiple products or something.

 

[Linklite]

Is Aspyr's lack of fixing the game at all similar to Firaxis's own turning a blind eye to ongoing bugs?

I'd say worse; I've seen Firaxis fix their bugs. Aspyr has pushed through fixes that Firaxis has done - for example, that game breaking bug a few years ago was patched the same time as PC - but I've yet to see Aspyr fix their own bugs. There are several bugs that they've introduced, some really obvious and should never have passed QA, that have not been touched for twice as long as the Science Bug (which I can understand how it slipped by QA, even if I don't think it's forgiveable how long they've ignored it).

Like:

It's been like that since the XPs came out. You also can't play the Switch docked because the screen doesn't track when you scroll to select a for a governor. I spent ages documenting these and a dozen other bugs for them like the HoF only tracking a handful of victories then deleting old ones.

Nada.

Firaxis isn't great at fixing bugs...but they fix them occasionally and the ones that make it through QA generally aren't as obvious as all roads being bugged and unrecognisable.

 

[Casworon]

well

tomorrow we will find out about a possible patch

Hopes arent too high it will be substantial. But lets see

 

[Kupe Navigator]

well

tomorrow we will find out about a possible patch

Hopes arent too high it will be substantial. But lets see

any updates are good at this point... I REALLY want to play as Abraham Lincoln myself... and be able to create religion as Kongo.

 

[bbbt]

Aspyr isn't the publisher, 2K is. Aspyr is only handling the porting of the game. They don't have any real say over what gets released when and for how much. 2K is literally paying them to port the game.

Aspyr is the one listed on the iOS store, as well as on Wikipedia as the publisher for mobile.

My understanding is Aspyr is not a "porter for hire" where they get a flat fee to convert. They are making a decision to take project and assuming the financial risk - ie they get paid based on the sales on their platform.

 

[Linklite]

any updates are good at this point... I REALLY want to play as Abraham Lincoln myself... and be able to create religion as Kongo.

If I remember rightly, you play on the Switch, and the Switch isn't getting the pass in the foreseeable future

 

[bbbt]

As for getting paid, it depends on the contract. They could be being paid by Firaxis to do the port, more likely they're doing it via franchisement - Aspyr pays Firaxis for the the right to do the port and then Aspyr gets the income from the consoles.

My impression is it's more akin to the latter - Aspyr is the one paying Firaxis for the right to port and getting paid from the sales. That's how they started as a Mac gaming publisher decades ago at least, and my assumption is it's continued in that vein.

 

[Linklite]

Is there a chance to see new surprise leaders like Julius Caesar?

It's possible? I wouldn't count on it though. Caesar was added to encourage 2K sign ups. I'm not sure what the purpose would be for other suprise leaders. Maybe as a final hurrah, although the whole pass seems to be one, so no real niche for further surprise leaders from where I'm standing.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

If I remember rightly, you play on the Switch, and the Switch isn't getting the pass in the foreseeable future

no I don't. That was LONG LONG time ago. I play on laptop now. ASUS laptop.
( Plus I can play with mods)

 

[Linklite]

My impression is it's more akin to the latter - Aspyr is the one paying Firaxis for the right to port and getting paid from the sales. That's how they started as a Mac gaming publisher decades ago at least, and my assumption is it's continued in that vein.

That's my understanding. Probably them dipping their toes into the console market, let Aspyr take the risk (and the initial profits), and if it goes well, then deal with it in-house for future instalments. Or hire someone to do it for them.

no I don't. That was LONG LONG time ago. I play on laptop now. ASUS laptop.
( Plus I can play with mods)

Cool, I'm glad you'll get the cool leaders!