Civilization VII - Civilization and leader overview

[j51]

I thought we all agreed what Khmer are antiquity civ based on the image with civ icons from original reveal video

Yeah, I’m also pretty sure that T’ui Tonga and whatever they’ll call the Mississippians will be antiquity based on the evidence gathered here.

 

[Xandinho]

So far, we have no sign of the Aztecs or any other South American civ besides the Incas, so I'm starting to suspect that we'll have a standard historical path for Latin America this way: Maya > Inca > Mexico. Pretty weird, though. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Giskler]

From what we've seen it looks like Maya can also go Shawnee.

 

[moondog385]

So far, we have no sign of the Aztecs or any other South American civ besides the Incas, so I'm starting to suspect that we'll have a standard historical path for Latin America this way: Maya > Inca > Mexico. Pretty weird, though. I hope I'm wrong.

In fairness, we haven’t seen much of the Exploration Age so I don’t think that’s super indicative of anything. I’m sure Maya into Inca will be an option though, if you settle next to mountains or something lol.

I’m hoping Maya —> Purepecha will also be an option.

 

[Krikkit1]

From what we've seen it looks like Maya can also go Shawnee.

Just as close as Inca

 

[The Fanatical]

So far, we have no sign of the Aztecs or any other South American civ besides the Incas, so I'm starting to suspect that we'll have a standard historical path for Latin America this way: Maya > Inca > Mexico. Pretty weird, though. I hope I'm wrong.

There is a Mesoamerican civilization that has yet to be revealed. The civilization could be either in the Antiquity Age or the Exploration Age. There is a ballcourt in front of the palace. This suggests that either the Olmecs or the Aztecs are in the base game. The Pyramid of the Sun is also a wonder in the base game, suggesting perhaps the Teotihuacan civilization. Judging by the fact that Mexico is probably a modern civilization because of the inclusion of Palacio de Bellas Artes, the Aztes might not be in base game, and Teotihuacan or the Olmecs might seem more likely.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

There is a Mesoamerican civilization that has yet to be revealed. The civilization could be either in the Antiquity Age or the Exploration Age. There is a ballcourt in front of the palace. This suggests that either the Olmecs or the Aztecs are in the base game. The Pyramid of the Sun is also a wonder in the base game, suggesting perhaps the Teotihuacan civilization. Judging by the fact that Mexico is probably a modern civilization because of the inclusion of Palacio de Bellas Artes, the Aztes might not be in base game, and Teotihuacan or the Olmecs might seem more likely.
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That looks like it could be the Maya. The building on the right, above the "E" on the word EMPIRE, looks exactly like the building in this picture above the Library.
https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/maya/

 

[The Fanatical]

That looks like it could be the Maya. The building on the right, above the "E" on the word EMPIRE, looks exactly like the building in this picture above the Library.
https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/maya/

Hmm, seems you are right, my bad.

 

[Xandinho]

I’m hoping Maya —> Purepecha will also be an option.

I really hope they include Mayapan someday.

 

[RedCourtJester]

I thought we all agreed what Khmer are antiquity civ based on the image with civ icons from original reveal video

Yeah, we knew this, based on the Ashoka leader banner against Rome.

But Rac has been heavily leaning on the wonders as dating the appropriate civ and era, which I think will prove to be a very flawed presumption. Teotihuacan is not happening, it just isn't. Civ is a pop history game that has always gone more for breadth and resonance than specificity.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Rac has been heavily leaning on the wonders as dating the appropriate civ and era, which I think will prove to be a very flawed presumption. Teotihuacan is not happening, it just isn't. Civ is a pop history game that has always gone more for breadth and resonance than specificity.

However, it has already been established by FXS themselves that every single civ is going to have a corresponding wonder in Civ 7.

This is an official formula; the only time it will miss will be due to game design priorities (such as Khmer being in the Antiquity), rather than the flaw of the assumption itself.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

However, it has already been established by FXS themselves that every single civ is going to have a corresponding wonder in Civ 7.

This is an official formula; the only time it will miss will be due to game design priorities (such as Khmer being in the Antiquity), rather than the flaw of the assumption itself.

But it doesn't mean that every wonder will have a corresponding civ. Some wonders will be orphans.

 

[8housesofelixir]

But it doesn't mean that every wonder will have a corresponding civ. Some wonders will be orphans.

Of course, which means there will be "exceptions" regarding reverse-engineering, rather than the "flaws" as claimed by the original poster I replied to.

 

[Rac]

But Rac has been heavily leaning on the wonders as dating the appropriate civ and era, which I think will prove to be a very flawed presumption. Teotihuacan is not happening, it just isn't. Civ is a pop history game that has always gone more for breadth and resonance than specificity.

I mean, I wasn't believing that the Chola would trully happen, yet they did. The majority of the list is speculation after all, and yes I'm using the dating of the wonders as indication parameter too, also despite Civ being pop history in general, we still did got Buganda of all things... Teotihuacan might indeed not happen on the base game but a quite a big canditate to be in a Civ roster for sure.

PS.: For the love of all deities, the Pyramid of the Sun IS NOT an Aztec wonder Please don't do that

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

... Teotihuacan might indeed not happen on the base game but a quite a big canditate to be in a Civ roster for sure.

PS.: For the love of all deities, the Pyramid of the Sun IS NOT an Aztec wonder Please don't do that

It's an Antiquity wonder, unlocking at Mathematics. It can't be Aztecs unless Aztecs are Antiquity. And while Firaxis hand-waved the Khmer to Antiquity, I feel confident that they will abide by the momentum of pop culture and put the Aztecs in Exploration.

I'd say it's more likely that PotS is an orphan than the Teotihuacans' associated wonder. Firaxis has never treated that city well.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

It's an Antiquity wonder, unlocking at Mathematics. It can't be Aztecs unless Aztecs are Antiquity. And while Firaxis hand-waved the Khmer to Antiquity, I feel confident that they will abide by the momentum of pop culture and put the Aztecs in Exploration.

I'd say it's more likely that PotS is an orphan than the Teotihuacans' associated wonder. Firaxis has never treated that city well.

If anything, maybe it's soft confirmation that it won't be on Aztecs city list for Civ 7.

Now if only Knossos would get the same treatment.

 

[Xandinho]

Maybe Teotihuacan and Aztecs are reserved for DLC, with the latter being the transition for the former? There's no sign of the Aztecs so far, I don't think they'll be in the base game, and I'm inclined to think the Incas will be the transition for Maya, as weird as that might be. Possibly, and hopefully, they'll make Mayapan someday.

Who knows, maybe we'll get something like this in the future:
Teotihuacan > Aztec
Maya > Mayapan

Edit. Also, I have hopes for a pre-Inca civ someday. And since the ages seem very flexible, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tiwanaku, rather than Moche or Nazca as we've been speculating.

 

[ehecatzin]

I really hope they include Mayapan someday.

Antiquity Mayans seem focused on preclassical Maya, if they were planning to do just 1 Maya iteration they would just give them "Chichen Itza" as a wonder (Its way to recognizable), yet, they didn't. I think Mayapan/Itza will be left as expansion or DLC material.

It's an Antiquity wonder, unlocking at Mathematics. It can't be Aztecs unless Aztecs are Antiquity. And while Firaxis hand-waved the Khmer to Antiquity, I feel confident that they will abide by the momentum of pop culture and put the Aztecs in Exploration.

I'd say it's more likely that PotS is an orphan than the Teotihuacans' associated wonder. Firaxis has never treated that city well.

The addition of the Pyramid of the Sun at least hints that they recognize Teotihuacan. I guess it will depend on how many spaces there are on vanilla. That said, I'm still crossing my fingers, Teotihuacan as 1 city antiquity challenge would be really cool.

 

[stealth_nsk]

I think the addition of Pyramid of the Sun as antiquity wonder only means what some wonders are not tied to any civ. Which is really logical, because many civs built more than one wonder during their history.

So, yep. Antiquity Maya, exploration Aztecs, no new info here.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think the addition of Pyramid of the Sun as antiquity wonder only means what some wonders are not tied to any civ. Which is really logical, because many civs built more than one wonder during their history.

So, yep. Antiquity Maya, exploration Aztecs, no new info here.

I wouldn't do more than pencil in Exploration Aztecs for the base game. We haven't seen evidence of them yet. The Mesoamerican chain could easily look like Maya>Inca>Mexico, to be fixed later with DLC.