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Civilization VII Civs and Leaders Wishlist [Not a Prediction]

I know I brought her up before, but now they totally could bring back Maria I, and have her be a default leader for both Portugal and Brazil.
 
I can see them going for Maria Quitéria, Tiradentes, Frei Caneca, Deodoro da Fonseca or even an indigenous leader like Cunhambebe or Sepé Tiaraju. Personally, I'd prefer Machado de Assis, since he is the greatest genius of Brazilian literature (also, one of my favorite writers) and it would be gratifying to see him say lines from Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas. There are some other options, however, quite recent, that I don't know if they would be viable for the Civ7 model.
i’d much prefer sepe tiaraju to lead the guarani, but a lot of these are really interesting picks

yeah, recent ones pop out to me too. if lula led brazil 50 years ago, i’d prob say he merits potential inclusion, with his specific background, accomplishments and unique character.

and ofc, i mentioned Pele. If we were running with the revered athlete string, Ayrton Senna too, though he’s obviously more controversial now due to the underage girlfriend.
 
I can see them going for Maria Quitéria, Tiradentes, Frei Caneca, Deodoro da Fonseca or even an indigenous leader like Cunhambebe or Sepé Tiaraju. Personally, I'd prefer Machado de Assis, since he is the greatest genius of Brazilian literature (also, one of my favorite writers) and it would be gratifying to see him say lines from Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas. There are some other options, however, quite recent, that I don't know if they would be viable for the Civ7 model.
For me, Cândido Rondon, Antonio Conselheiro, Anita Garibaldi or Maria Rosa (from the contestado war) are all good non leader options too.
 
I would really like to see many ancient cultures, especially as now we don't have to discount "leaderless" archeological ones and we need them to provide us with transitory steps for later civs.

I would especially love to see
- Slavs
- Bantu
- really let's just go all the way in and add Indo-Europeans, they would be awesome
- Germanics (or specific tribe - like Goths)
- Caral or some other ancient Andeans
 
I would really like to see many ancient cultures, especially as now we don't have to discount "leaderless" archeological ones and we need them to provide us with transitory steps for later civs.

I would especially love to see
- Slavs
- Bantu
- really let's just go all the way in and add Indo-Europeans, they would be awesome
- Germanics (or specific tribe - like Goths)
- Caral or some other ancient Andeans
What about the Olmecs and Harappans? I've always wanted them as playable civilizations, but some people argue that even without leaders, they would be unviable as playable civilizations. If that's the case, I see Caral as even more obscure and unviable than they are.
 
Eh, there were civ5 mods which added all of them and were perfectly fine, they just needed fake placeholder leaders which made them unviable as the "official" civs (and we don't have this problem with civ7).

Olmecs would be great, I am actually surprised Firaxis didn't go with them, as it would be more fun to begin with Olmecs and then choose between Maya and Aztec and lead either to Mexico, or make Aztec fight vs Maya. Harappans would be great as well.

I really hope Firaxis adds Slavs, Bantu and Germanics/Goths at some point, they would make some transitions feel so much more legit.
 
Vargas is an interesting one (I think he's appeared in mods quite a bit), he's so multifaceted and hard to place in a box--do you call him a social democrat? a fascist? a military dictator? an elected president? does he represent the stereotype of latin american corruption, or does he represent the a flawed politician who uplifts the working man nonetheless?

I don't know him but if it's that difficult to put him in a box, he's probably a great choice.
 
I agree with wanting the Olmecs addition, as well.

A couple civs I'd like to see:
  • Minoans (with the flexible leader feature, this enables their presence a bit more easily albeit with a good dose of speculation still)
  • Etruscans
  • Tibet (unlikely in any official capacity, I know, but there will probably be a mod version eventually)
  • Perhaps a Ptolemaic Egyptians variant could be interesting (theoretically, if they were ever to do an age before antiquity, you could go Ancient Egypt/New Kingdom? > Alexander’s Macedonia to represent that I guess)
  • Zagwe (and the return of Ethiopia)
  • Song dynasty (a personal fav Chinese dynasty for their innovations and being on the cusp of a very early form of industrialization)
  • Gogoryeo (for a different flavor of Korean representation finally)
  • Umayyads and by extension Al-Andalus/Cordoba/Granada?
  • Ryukyu
  • Coast Salish
Some historical figures that could be interesting leaders:
  • Hypatia (Alexandrian philosopher, thinker, and astronomer)
  • Ibn Battuta (prolific Maghrebi explorer)
  • Akhenaten (drastic abandonment of polytheism to monotheistic Atenism could be translated into interesting leader and religion features)
  • Xuangzang (Chinese Buddhist monk who travelled to India and brought back many texts to be translated, inspired the Journey to the West)
  • Zheng Yi Sao (pirate leader)
  • Zheng He (treasure fleets)
  • Emperor Huizong of Song (I weirdly remember him so well from my university Chinese art history class. An incredible calligrapher and artist but can be partially blamed for the fall of the Northern Song and the sacking of Kaifeng. Could make for a leader with clear strengths and weaknesses)
  • Heo Hwang-ok (My wildcard pick. An interesting ancient India-Korea connection that may be a bit pseudo-historical: she was a princess of the "Ayuta" kingdom, believed to be somewhere in India, who married the founder of Gaya. The Gimhae Kim clan is descended from them and includes notable figures like: Kim Yusin, Silla general and unifier; Kim Hongdo, Joseon painter; Andrew Kim Taegon, first Korean bishop and saint; Kim Daejung, former SK president)
 
Gogoryeo (for a different flavor of Korean representation finally)
From what we've seen, I'm lowkey expecting Silla > Goryeo > Joseon for Korea this time around, with how early Modern starts and with the avoidance of modern states.

Akhenaten (drastic abandonment of polytheism to monotheistic Atenism could be translated into interesting leader and religion features)
I'd also like to see Akhenaten, though Civ6 felt like more his game. :( Minor correction, though: Atenism wasn't monotheistic; it was henotheistic. Akhenaten didn't deny the existence of other gods, only presented Aten as the only one worthy of worship.
 
From what we've seen, I'm lowkey expecting Silla > Goryeo > Joseon for Korea this time around, with how early Modern starts and with the avoidance of modern states.
Yeah, I agree. That does seem most likely.

I'd also like to see Akhenaten, though Civ6 felt like more his game. :( Minor correction, though: Atenism wasn't monotheistic; it was henotheistic. Akhenaten didn't deny the existence of other gods, only presented Aten as the only one worthy of worship.
Oh, I didn't realize. That is good to know!
 
Heo Hwang-ok (My wildcard pick. An interesting ancient India-Korea connection that may be a bit pseudo-historical: she was a princess of the "Ayuta" kingdom, believed to be somewhere in India, who married the founder of Gaya
oh yeah this is a cool historical figure. my understanding is that the connection is (potentially) believed to be true, but the part that is potentially pseudo historical is that was specifically Ayodhya that she was supposedly from. I didn’t know that so many notable Koreans were descended from her. The clan aspect of Korean families isn’t something that is very broadcasted, ig? i didn’t know it was a huge deal for a very long time.

You know, I joked about Odysseus being a leader in civ 7 but as long as we’re ok with mythological figures, I think he’s actually a cool one. The odyssey remains one of the most notable works of literature to this day (think even recent iterations like circe and the more pop-culture iteration of EPIC), and Odysseus’s most unique feature as a greek hero is the fact that he isn’t a demigod. I know Agamemnon or Menelaus is a better semi-/mythological character, but Odysseus would be a big personality akin to Gilgamesh, for me. Greece is so one-note in civ that a slight nod to its mythological side would be interesting, i think.
 
Odysseus’s most unique feature as a greek hero is the fact that he isn’t a demigod.
His great-grandfather is Hermes. :p It is novel that he's not an ill-begotten son of Zeus, though. :mischief:
 
His great-grandfather is Hermes. :p It is novel that he's not an ill-begotten son of Zeus, though. :mischief:
i actually wasn’t aware that he descended from hermes. it feels awfully non-descript. i never picked up on it when i’ve read the odyssey and iliad and the social narrative around the odyssey is that he’s unique in his total manhood, so that’s definitely something i wasn’t aware of.
 
i actually wasn’t aware that he descended from hermes. it feels awfully non-descript. i never picked up on it when i’ve read the odyssey and iliad and the social narrative around the odyssey is that he’s unique in his total manhood, so that’s definitely something i wasn’t aware of.
It kind of makes sense, given that Odysseus is definitely the cleverest of the Greek heroes (whereas Herakles and most other heroes rely on their might...except Achilles, who would rather spend his time sulking than doing anything :p ).
 
It kind of makes sense, given that Odysseus is definitely the cleverest of the Greek heroes (whereas Herakles and most other heroes rely on their might...except Achilles, who would rather spend his time sulking than doing anything :p ).
Odysseus as son of Hermes makes even more sense when you know that Hermes was considered the patron/protector of travellers (also merchants, orators, thieves, and later Actors - basically, anybody in a profession in Greece who Traveled).

Just the sort of God that would do a traveler like Odysseus the most good . . .
 
Odysseus as son of Hermes makes even more sense when you know that Hermes was considered the patron/protector of travellers
I was thinking of Hermes' connection with tricksters and magic, but his role as god of travelers is definitely very relevant to Odysseus, too.
 
I was thinking of Hermes' connection with tricksters and magic, but his role as god of travelers is definitely very relevant to Odysseus, too.
i mean, i’ll still shill it. gilgamesh was called a demigod too. naval militaristic is a spin on greece we haven’t seen yet. maybe an island focus too.
 
Since we have a lot more granularity potential for both Civs and Leaders, something I could really get behind for DLC is 'region' packs for Civs and "Theme" packs for Leaders that add either regionally-related cultures or thematically-related leaders.

I have been a regular advocate for the pirate queen trio of Teuta, Grace O'Malley and Sayyida al Hurra, for example, and a Leader Pack containing those three as a "Pirate Queens" DLC is actually at its most viable with Civ 7 in the way it's decoupling leaders.

Likewise, I would like to see specific regions represented by civs, especially ones underrepresented in Civ up to now - Afghanistan was mentioned recently on the forums, the PNW is another area with a rich history of cultures - and have flavored DLCs based around those areas. It's nice to introduce staple Civs in DLC, obv, but since a lot of people are warming up to the Civ-switching idea only now that it's being more readily understood that you are going to have interconnected kingdoms representing different periods in time for the same region, then it would be easier to get people onboard with certain less-iconic civs if you introduce it as "the Afghanistan pack" with civs for each age, or "the Nigerian pack" featuring Hausa, Nri, and Oyo (this one, in particular, is an idea that makes me glad for the way Civ 7 is approaching representation because it provides a way to include all three of the largest people of Nigeria since each had a kingdom or empire that was at its peak during one of the three Eras).

You know you'd be getting 'a complete lineage' so to speak, and whether it came with a leader or not (Nigeria above wouldn't necessarily need to since Amina is already basegame), that's the kind of Civ inclusion I'd love to see with DLC moving forward.
 
I hope we can get the Oxus civilization, they are always so forgotten...

Beyond this a cool chalenge to design could be the Marajoaras and Xinguanos (Kuhikugu), but I don't see that happeing before we got either the Tupi or Guarani in Civ
 
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