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Civilizations in Civ 5: Asia

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Optimizer, Jun 11, 2008.

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What Asian/Middle Eastern civilizations do you want in Civ 5?

  1. Hittites

    61 vote(s)
    28.5%
  2. Israel

    84 vote(s)
    39.3%
  3. Babylon

    154 vote(s)
    72.0%
  4. Sumeria

    103 vote(s)
    48.1%
  5. Assyria

    68 vote(s)
    31.8%
  6. Egypt

    160 vote(s)
    74.8%
  7. Phoenicians

    72 vote(s)
    33.6%
  8. Carthage

    127 vote(s)
    59.3%
  9. Arabia

    149 vote(s)
    69.6%
  10. Huns/Magyars

    63 vote(s)
    29.4%
  11. Berber/Maghreb

    26 vote(s)
    12.1%
  12. Persia/Iran

    154 vote(s)
    72.0%
  13. Pakistan

    15 vote(s)
    7.0%
  14. Indus civilization

    30 vote(s)
    14.0%
  15. India

    157 vote(s)
    73.4%
  16. Thailand/Siam

    80 vote(s)
    37.4%
  17. Khmer/Cambodia

    90 vote(s)
    42.1%
  18. Malaya/Malaysia

    30 vote(s)
    14.0%
  19. Indonesia

    40 vote(s)
    18.7%
  20. Vietnam

    52 vote(s)
    24.3%
  21. Mongolia

    160 vote(s)
    74.8%
  22. China

    175 vote(s)
    81.8%
  23. Korea

    135 vote(s)
    63.1%
  24. Japan

    175 vote(s)
    81.8%
  25. Other, please specify

    24 vote(s)
    11.2%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Optimizer

    Optimizer Sthlm, SWE

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    What Asian and Middle Eastern civilizations do you desire the most in Civ 5?

    There will be a final round, with the leading candidates from each poll, and a few wildcards.
     
  2. Cannae

    Cannae Philosophy of Poverty

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    Hittites ~ No, it's too minor in comparison to other nations within the region.
    Israel ~ Yes, way too important to leave out due to the significance on history.
    Babylon ~ Yes, they are probably out of the next three the most suitable candidates.
    Sumeria ~ Maybe, they are important but this should only be there if the room is available.
    Assyria ~ No, it's too redundant to go along with the former two candidates.
    Egypt ~ Yes, there is no need to explain why.
    Phoenicians ~ Yes, they are too important to leave out. Their cultural impact is too great to negate.
    Carthage ~ Yes, this has to be in there because they managed to crush Roman forces when the odds where against them.
    Arabia ~ Yes, there is no need to explain why.
    Huns/Magyars ~ Maybe I think they could be in there but it wouldn't be the most critical nation to be in the game.
    Berber/Maghreb ~ As much as I would like them to be in this, I don't think they could quite cut it unless if they were somehow put into a Moroccan, Islamic Spain Nation.
    Persia/Iran ~ Yes, there is no need to explain why.
    Pakistan ~ Same as below.
    Indus civilization ~ No, it's redundant IMHO.
    India ~ Yes, there is no need to explain why.
    Thailand/Siam ~ Yes, even this I know should be in the game they have quite a bit of influence in world history.
    Khmer/Cambodia ~ I don't know.
    Malaya/Malaysia ~ I don't think they have enough influence. I could be wrong though.
    Indonesia ~ Although it may not be the most important nation historically they still would defiantly make things more interesting.
    Vietnam ~ Maybe, I am not sure about this one. I am inclined to say no but I still am open.
    Mongolia ~ Too important in history to leave out.
    China ~ Yes, there is no need to explain why.
    Korea ~ Yes, there is no need to explain why.
    Japan ~ Yes, there is no need to explain why.
    Other, please specify
     
  3. holiday_hawk

    holiday_hawk King

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    Pretty much every one except, Iseral, Pakistan, Vietnam, and Cambodia.
     
  4. _random_

    _random_ Jewel Runner

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    Why no Israel? They've had a much bigger impact on history than, say, Carthage.
     
  5. buffalo6542

    buffalo6542 Nuke Maniac

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    I think that the Indus Valley civ could be part of India. the only major thing they had that other Civs didn't was indoor plumbing.
     
  6. davidis.ca

    davidis.ca Chieftain

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    I think Israel is represented well from the religion. the country has to insignificant impact. Of course that is my opinion
     
  7. Saim

    Saim King

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    Hittites
    Yes.

    Israel
    Maybe, but its low priority.

    Babylon
    Yes.

    Sumer
    Yes.

    Assyria
    Yes.

    Egypt
    Yes.

    Phoenicians
    Yes.

    Carthage
    Yes.

    Arabia
    Yes.

    Huns/Magyars
    No. Hungary could be added as a European civ.

    Berber/Maghreb
    Yes, perhaps more than one Berber civ.

    Persia/Iran
    Yes.

    Pakistan
    No, and I'm Punjabi.

    The rest I'll do later, urgently need to leave the PC.

    EDIT:

    Indus civilization
    No, no potential UUs, UBs or leaders unfortunately.

    India
    Possibly, but low priority (here I mean the Republic of India, for other Indian subcontinental civs see "Other").

    Thailand/Siam
    Yes.

    Khmer/Cambodia
    Yes.

    Malays
    Yes, or perhaps the Sri Vijaya and Malacca states should be split into different civs.

    Indonesia
    No, it should be the Javanese (or Majapahit and Sailendra) and Malays (or Malacca and Srivijaya) instead.

    Vietnam
    Yes.

    Mongolia
    Yes. This time the Ilkhanids and Golden Horde should be included.

    China
    Yes.

    Korea
    Yes
    Japan
    Yes

    Other, please specify

    Middle East
    High priority: Akkad, Seljuks, Parthia, Media, Hatti/Hittites
    Low priority: Lydia, Mittani/Hurrians, Phrygia, Himyar, Arab Christian states, Israelites, Elam, Seleucids (should be included as Macedonia)
    I'm definitely forgetting some, I might add them later.

    East Asia
    High priority: Manchus
    Low priority: Silla, Goguryeo

    SE Asia
    High priority: None that I haven't mentioned
    Low priority: Champa, Burma, Pyu, Mon

    Central Asia
    High priority: Tibet, Khwarezm, East Turkestan/Uyghurs, Timurids, Afghans/Durranis, Kushans
    Low priority: Ghaznavids, Scythians, Indo-Greeks (see Seleucids), Greco-Bactrians (see Seleucids)

    North Africa
    High priority: Axum, Ayyubids, Fatimids, Mamluks
    Low priority: Ptolemies (should be included as Macedonia)

    India
    High priority: Magadha (or the Guptas, Nandas, Mauryas and Sungas), Vijayanagara, Tamilakam (or Chola, Chera, Pandya), Kannadas (or Chalukyas, Rashtakrutas, etc.), Telugus (or some Telugu states), Vijayanagara (they where either Kannada or Telugu), Deccan sultanates, Delhi sultunate, Mughals, Marathas, Bengalis (or Palas, etc.)
    Low priority: Sikhs, Sinhalese
     
  8. squid1111

    squid1111 Warlord

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    HITTITES AND CARTHAGE HAD WAY MORE EFFECTS ON HISTORY THAN ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carthage nearly destroyed Rome. The hittites nearly destroyed Egypt and lasted for 500 years. How much did Ancient Israel last for? Seriously, Judaism is important, but Israel was never a great civ.
     
  9. The Fishman

    The Fishman Resident Megalomaniac

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    In other, I think there should be a Turk civ rather than just the Ottomans, so that the central Asian Turk empires can be included. I also think there should be a Siberian civ if there are native Americans. The Native Americans ruled the wild west, the Yakuts and Sammoyeds ruled the wild east.
     
  10. Civ Person

    Civ Person BEAST

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    i think vietnam is important. 1. the vietnam war was the first conflict us lost. 2. the trung sisters. look them up.
     
  11. Zenon_pt

    Zenon_pt Civing on the real world

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    From Middle East and North of Africa:

    I choose:
    Egypt - one of the ancient VIC (Very Important Civ) and of course :egypt:
    Babylon - Hammurabi rocks!!! and a VIC.
    Sumer - Gilgamesh also rocks!!!
    Carthage - Someone need to battle the Romans. :D
    Arabia - Of course!!!
    Morocco - It's a Mediterranean civ, that I would love to see in Civ!
    Israel - of King David or of King Solomon

    To consider:
    Hittites
    Assyria
    Phoenicians

    From Asia:

    Persia - Alex needs Persia!!!
    India - :love: Gandhi!!!
    Japan - hai I :love: Japan
    Mongolia - A civ without Genghis Khan it's a Civ at all.
    China - of Course!!!
    Korea - Starting to enjoy them...
    Khmer - It was quite fun to play with them in civ4
    Thailand - Absolutely!

    In consider:
    Tibet
     
  12. Saim

    Saim King

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    Shouldn't each Turkic state get their own civ? I think the Khazars, Ottomans, Seljuks, Uyghurs, Timurids and Khwarezmids all deserve their own civs.
     
  13. The Fishman

    The Fishman Resident Megalomaniac

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    The game is called 'Civilization', not 'Nation-State', so I don't think all the Turkic states should get their own civ. Maybe Seljuks and Ottomans should be grouped together, and the Mongolian/Central Asian Turks grouped under another civ.
     
  14. squid1111

    squid1111 Warlord

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    You know what civ I would put in? Elam. They existed for over 2000 years, for example, and were a major power sometimes. I think they should be in, over Sumer definetly.
     
  15. Perfection

    Perfection The Great Head.

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    I think we should only do European Civs.
     
  16. Saim

    Saim King

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    If its name has so much bearing - then why are England, America, Germany, Mongolia, Korea, etc. in? Why not:

    Sinic civilization
    Short description: Greater China
    Adjective: Sinic
    Instead of: China, Korea, Japan

    European civilization
    Short description: Europe
    Adjective: European
    Instead of: America, England, France, Germany, Greece, Rome, Russia, Spain, Vikings, Celts, Byzantium, Holy Rome, Netherlands, Portugal

    Indochinese civilization
    Short description: Indochina
    Adjective: Indochinese
    Instead of: Khmer

    Indian civilization
    Oh wait this one is actually in...

    etc.

    Even there I had trouble defining "civilization". Are Hellenistic and Christian European civilization seperate? What about the Vedic and Indo-Islamic cultures? Ultimately, its less fun than having different states and is far harder to define (although some civs in the game are cultures rather than states - Sumer, Greece and Maya).
     
  17. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Deity

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    I love how American Propaganda has gotten into the minds of all the civers that think Israel was impotant in History. Sure there religion was important in history, but why add a civ because of there religion?
     
  18. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Deity

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    Ahh old enemy we meet again...

    Sumer Greece and Maya were city states, so they should be in.

    I agree, that there needs to be atleast 2 different indian kingdoms, in your opinion, which two indian civilizations were the most important not only in indian history but in world history? You know more then me, and i'd like to learn.
     
  19. Kao'chai

    Kao'chai Newbie in Modding

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    it's sad how some people don't like israel , they must be atheist.They were God's chosen People! and was the whole reason for the crusade and arab- israeli wars .carthage is ONLY a COLONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  20. squid1111

    squid1111 Warlord

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    Carthage Was Only A Colony That Got Independence. WAS THE US ONLY A COLONY!!!!!!!!???????????????????

    And I declare Austinites the chosen people, thus the Austin civ must be featured. Seriously, let's not make this a religious argument.
     

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