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Civilizations in Civ 5: Europe

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Optimizer, Jun 11, 2008.

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What European civilizations do you want to see in Civ 5?

  1. England

    112 vote(s)
    73.7%
  2. Norway

    26 vote(s)
    17.1%
  3. Sweden

    45 vote(s)
    29.6%
  4. Finland

    20 vote(s)
    13.2%
  5. Denmark

    34 vote(s)
    22.4%
  6. Vikings

    75 vote(s)
    49.3%
  7. Poland

    55 vote(s)
    36.2%
  8. Germany

    113 vote(s)
    74.3%
  9. Netherlands

    87 vote(s)
    57.2%
  10. France

    109 vote(s)
    71.7%
  11. Spain

    109 vote(s)
    71.7%
  12. Portugal

    90 vote(s)
    59.2%
  13. Rome

    104 vote(s)
    68.4%
  14. Italy

    42 vote(s)
    27.6%
  15. Celts

    77 vote(s)
    50.7%
  16. Holy Roman Empire

    43 vote(s)
    28.3%
  17. Austria

    53 vote(s)
    34.9%
  18. Hungary

    41 vote(s)
    27.0%
  19. Russia

    109 vote(s)
    71.7%
  20. Romania

    19 vote(s)
    12.5%
  21. Yugoslavia

    24 vote(s)
    15.8%
  22. Greece

    106 vote(s)
    69.7%
  23. Byzantine Empire

    78 vote(s)
    51.3%
  24. Ottomans/Turkey

    106 vote(s)
    69.7%
  25. Other

    30 vote(s)
    19.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Optimizer

    Optimizer Sthlm, SWE

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    What civilizations do you want to see in Civilization 5?

    Since there are many candidates, the poll is split into three parts: Europe, Asia (including Middle East and northern Africa) and New World (including tropical Africa).

    The leading candidates will remain in a final round.
     
  2. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    Wow, I think the list could have been better thought out, but, I'm good.


    ADD ITALY!!! :D:D:D:D
     
  3. Optimizer

    Optimizer Sthlm, SWE

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    Please, no vikings. As said before, a Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.
     
  4. Cannae

    Cannae Philosophy of Poverty

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    England ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Norway ~ See Sweden and Denmark
    Sweden ~ See Denmark
    Finland ~ Most likely no.
    Denmark ~ No, too redundant
    Vikings ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Poland ~ Yes, do we really want to go through the pain of not having it in the game again?
    Germany ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Netherlands ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    France ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Spain ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Portugal ~ Maybe, I would have to think about this one.
    Rome ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Italy ~ Redundant
    Celts ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Holy Roman Empire ~ Maybe.
    Austria ~ Yes, if it can be made with and combine with Hungary
    Hungary ~ Yes, see above.
    Russia ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Romania ~ Not without good reason to do so.
    Yugoslavia ~ No, not important enough in regional/world history.
    Greece ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Byzantine Empire ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Ottomans/Turkey ~ Yes, no reason needed to explain why.
    Other ~ ?
     
  5. Optimizer

    Optimizer Sthlm, SWE

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    OK, I realised I made a big mistake by including a Viking civilization in the poll. I will consider these votes as votes for Norsemen or Scandinavians.
     
  6. Deep Thought

    Deep Thought S.A.G.A.P.O

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    Repalace the Viking empire with Norway-Iceland-Danish and Finland-Swedish empires. Makes a lot more sense.
     
  7. Cannae

    Cannae Philosophy of Poverty

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    So what's the reasoning for that?
     
  8. holiday_hawk

    holiday_hawk King

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    I kept it pretty much the same as IV is, but i also voted other because i think the Franks and Moors should be in V
     
  9. Preslav

    Preslav Chieftain

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    Add Bulgaria!!!
     
  10. _random_

    _random_ Jewel Runner

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    Any particular reason for that?
     
  11. Preslav

    Preslav Chieftain

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    Yes!! If you don't know yet Bulgaria was a European superpower during the medeival ages and controlled all the land which is now known as Bulgaria, Northern Greece, Lower Thrace, Constantinople, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Croatia, Romania, Southern Hungary, Moldova and Southwest Ukraine. To sum it up, between 790 and the late 1300's Bulgaria had control over the whole Balkan Pininsula and dominated Europe alongside Charlemagne and Byzantium. Also, Bulgarian scholars Ciril and Methodious ultimately created the Cirilic alphabet which was later spread by their discipiles and currently used widely across Eastern Europe. The Bulgarians were also feared warwagers as they reached the walls of Constantinople many times and kept the Byzantines walk on hot ash. (ummm... Bulgaria basically dominated Byzantium ever since its foundation in 681) The bulgarians were also the only ones under Khan Krum who halted Charlemagne's conquerance of Eastern Europe and ultimately his entire military career. Enough info???
     
  12. davidis.ca

    davidis.ca Chieftain

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    Ciril and Methodius where from byzantuim sent to christiniaze the Slavs do not tell me they where Bulgarians. And also Turkey is not a European country so no to them as Europe
     
  13. Preslav

    Preslav Chieftain

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  14. davidis.ca

    davidis.ca Chieftain

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  15. SharpMango

    SharpMango If in doubt, just axe!

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    I believe the ottoman empire most certainly can be classified as being a european civilization.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OttomanEmpireIn1683.png
    click the link....the ottomans ruled over the entirety of south eastern europe. Its also worth noting that since the ottomans were a multi-ethnic empire that they werent a foreign implant...yes that means they had european beauracrats and troops too..
    and modern turkey..well , modern turkey's sports teams play in the european associations, they are applying for EU membership and are generally considered european by one and all. Most europeans certainly consider turks to be european.
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    can someone explain to me the nordic debate...what do the scandinavian civ players prefer? a generic scandinavian civilization?
     
  16. davidis.ca

    davidis.ca Chieftain

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    Israeli teams play in UEFA cup and C.L that doesn't make them European. I was not talking about Ottoman empire but Turkey as a state.
     
  17. Preslav

    Preslav Chieftain

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  18. Preslav

    Preslav Chieftain

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  19. davidis.ca

    davidis.ca Chieftain

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  20. Italia

    Italia Chieftain

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    I think the we should see Italy in Civ 5 :clap::clap::clap:

    Look back on all the historic events that involved Italy, and her roll in the Renaissance years (though it was not yet united :eek:). She is a member of the G8, and is a world power today.
    Though it may be redundant seeing as Rome is already a civ, there are many ways to get around such problems. You could incorporate italy into the roman civ and give it at least some recognition. Or, one of the capitals of either Rome or Italy could be translated into their respective languages (Latin and Italian).

    I think Italy deserves at least recognition in Civ 5, just look over everything she has done for history :)
     

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