Civilizations to be wary off

kevj42

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hi all,

so what are the civilizations to be weary of in your eyes (not random traits)? I've been playing a game with a lot of civs right now and I had some VERY bad experiences with some :D

For example I've had very difficult relations with Catherine from Russia and especially Dido from Carthago. That wench has backstabbed me no less then 4 times this game already! but rest asured girl, your time WILL come!!!:mad: (building 4 carriers and 12 atom bombs for her 6 cities :D :D)

Bismarck on the other hands feels pretty loyal he's been on my side since the beginning of the game we have gone to war together, defended eachother etc.

So what are your experiences? Who are the leaders you watch out for?

bye all
 
Augustus Caesar, Bismarck, Dido, George "I trust you are a friend to Liberty" Washington, Moctezuma, Wu Zetian, The Suleiman, Harald Bluetooth, Boadicea, Huaraca, Tokugawa, Napoleon, That Guy from New York, Son of the Gods, Ramm Villain

That should cover up my experiences well.

Oh, and Darius.
 
Bluetooth, Bismarck, and Atilla always give me a hard time. In my current game Bluetooth is a runaway on the continent right next to me. We've been in several naval conflicts already.

Theodora always backstabs me.
 
Catherine and Darius.

Cathy is fine if you aren't clashing borders till around 1900, then'll she'll betray your ***.

Darius acts all nice, bu then betrays you in waves. If you live through his first invasion, don't be fooled by his friendly demeanor, he'll betray you again soon enough.
 
Bluetooth? He's always the nice jolly Dane trading Furs for Gold to me...
Napoleon is, IMO, the most "backstabby" of the lot. Some of the others (like Atilla) don't even pretend to be nice to you, but Napoleon will act friendly while directing his armies towards you every. single. time.
 
Bluetooth? He's always the nice jolly Dane trading Furs for Gold to me...
Napoleon is, IMO, the most "backstabby" of the lot. Some of the others (like Atilla) don't even pretend to be nice to you, but Napoleon will act friendly while directing his armies towards you every. single. time.

Napoleon doesn't even pretend to be nice to you. He is quite honest about it, especially when at T40+ he DOWs you with a large force of horsemen, Comp Bows, axemen and spears.

I also take it you have never had to deal with an Autocracy-taking capital-sniping Runaway Denmark?

Yeah, in that game I was sandwiched between him and Runaway Roma Amicos. He got neutral really fast once I declared the Punic War to end all Punic Wars.
 
Bismarck, Catherine, Washington, Pachacuti, Napoleon (although the latter seems to have become somewhat weaker since G&K came out). You can never be quite sure exactly what they're going to do, but you can guarantee it won't be something you'll appreciate. They tend not to betray you... until you actually have something invested in the relationship, THEN the knives come out.

I myself have always found Montezuma particularly trustworthy. For instance, you can always count on him to shower you with alternate declarations of war and friendship bids.
 
It might be easier to list the AI leaders you can trust. I'll get that list started:

None of them.

:D
 
So basically the list of leaders I never trust:
Catherine
Caesar
Cathy
Suleiman
Cathy
Alex
Cathy
Napoleon
Cathy
Oh, I forgot Cathy.

Think that covers it.

This. But I would also add Cathy, Cathy, Cathy, and Cathy. Cathy: "My friend, please help me in my war against Suleiman... thanks for your help...mwah, hah, hah... denounce, DOW."
 
Just a friendly tip: 'weary' = tired, exhausted. You meant 'wary', as in cautious of something or someone. Although, some of the leaders you need to be wary of can cause weariness also, too true.
 
It might be easier to list the AI leaders you can trust. I'll get that list started:

None of them.

:D

Gandhi, sometimes he'll get mad at you for being warmongery or winning the game, but he has mostly been alright compared to everyone.

Ramesses is pretty peaceful so long as you don't build wonders.

Haile Selassie is also pretty alright, unless you settle in his face or something. Then again, that goes for all those civs ('cept Mohandas there)
 
Gus whatever from Sweden. He attacks [not sure where he got all those troops!]; i beat him back, take some of his land with a great general! he sues for peace. he's friendly??? the next turn. peace treaty expires, he attacks. i beat him back, take some land with another great general [i've now got three citadels surrounding his capital and close to another city of his], he sues for peaces - 4 or 5 times now. i can't do anything else for constantly having to deal with him. Bismark and Ram and I however, have been buddies the whole game.
 
Never trust Washington, last game (and the dozens before) he minuteman spammed during the entire renaissance era, and those guys are female dogs to deal with.

For thrustworthy in my experience: Isabella of Spain is a good trading partner, and me and Bismarck (lolwut?) had almost permanent friendships and defensive pacts throught 4 games in a row.

Babylon can be trusted to don't give a damn about you until you get too close with your cities.
 
I think you mean 'civilizations to be wary of'.

This could be a much short list if we would do 'civs you can more or less trust'.

Are there any?

I have had pretty good luck with Pacal. He seems to mind his own business.

Catherine? Back-stabber.

Harold? War-monger.
 
I remember Babylon.

Once, when I had just started my very first game as Corea, I landed on a Pangaea map with the following civs in order of proximity: England, America, Tenochca, Songhay, Babylon and finally at the far side, Arabia. I think there was Gandhi in between Babylon and Arabia, but if he did he got conquered mighty quickly.

Anyways, at the time I had little clue about stealth bombers or proper artillery tactics, but I managed to war my way down south. Had a little war with George and Liz, took out Liz and got peace with George... the Great Wall was built by Monty, but I managed to whack him out with cannonae and riflemen.

That was the point in time when Babylon really runaway and I was staring at his WW2 Infantry with riflemen (he eviscerated both George and Monty leftovers). The thing about our lands was that there was a short landbridge (overlooking hilly Washington - now in Babylonian hands) and a lot of mountains separating both of us (and me from the Songhay).

I remembered attacking the Babylonians to keep them out of my side of Pangaea. With artillery. It worked well enough, but the thing was - Nebby didn't want peace. He had something like 20 odd cities I couldn't touch, and he was blast teching so fast it was insane, and he knew the advantage was his! If I had known better, I could have smashed my way through the Washingtonian chokepoint and took out half of his empire.

Instead, I settled for a Changsha-style artillery holding action. A dozen artillery guns, most of them perched on hills behind an Aztec city close to the chokepoint or watching the northern sea. My end goal was to tech all the way beyond OMT to get nuclear missiles and 50,000+ gold (because I only knew of nuclear missiles and tons of gold to rushbuy 15 of them instantly back then).

The Babylonians kept harrassing me, first with their Infantries, then their air force of fighters and bombers, then MECH INF. I had a pretty wide empire (of puppets), but still, my gold income per turn was abysmal to my mind then. Only 150 gpt! That ain't getting me nuclear missiles every other turn!

So I waited and waited, the Babylonians becoming even more powerful (they bought off every CS except a friendly Cultural behind me). It was self-inflicted stalemate, and good lord it was horrible. I felt I couldn't take out the Babylonians at all, and this was on King.

Then I was a couple turns to Ballistics. Nuclear Missiles.

I had a fighter up and running in a forward Aztec city (didn't know the power of Logistics Bombers too). Then suddenly, the Babylonians flew in 10 aircrafts into Washington.

I scoped. The next turn, that Aztec city went up in an atomic pyre. My monies was at a pitiful 10K. I immediately rushbought atomic bombs in another Aztec city I had annexed as a rushbuy center. Based them in a couple of forward cities.

Big mistake, Babylonian B-29 took out a chunk of them. I had one atomic bomb left, so I nuked Washington and there went the Babylonian airstack.

At that point, Nebby finally decided to have peace with me.

Phew, end of story right? He won a diplomatic victory 10 turns after that peace, and in the world of One More Turn, after the Songhay settled a spam city of their own behind my lines, after the Babylonians had bought off that one CS allied to me... Nebuchadnezzar went all DAARUM DAMELAY DE EERUSH SHU

I tried seeing myself out of this horrible stalemate, but at then I could only see nuclear missiles. And my gpt and treasury were too low for them.:(
 
They should really get rid of the "you are building new cities too aggressively" modifier. It really dampens most of the memorable and colorful things we can say of the various leaders, because when you get that especially in early game, you can expect a denouncement even from friends followed shortly by war.
 
Attila (just survived a rush with 3 rams, 2 horse archers, 3 swordsmen, and a warrior. Napoleon likes to blot out the sun with his musketeers/riflemen/foreign legion :( spam. Cathy actually doesn't wage war on me often, I tend to wage war on her since she likes to win with science. Augustus, Monty, Alex, Tokugawa and Bismarck must never be trusted. I am always wary of Rham, Gandhi, Theodora, and Chad diplomatically.

Pachacuti, Pacal, Arabs, and Mongols (as long as I don't need city-states) tend to be my homies.
 
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