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Civilo-pdf Lore Compendium

Discussion in 'Fall from Heaven Lore' started by loocas, Apr 25, 2008.

  1. loocas

    loocas Chieftain

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    Fall from Heaven Lore Compendium, Second Edition

    My goal is to compile the loreful bits of the pedia into something that can be read with both leisure and pleasure. I find the format of the in-game or online pedia keeps the reading from flowing well--the xml text file is almost easier to read. Not anymore.

    The Second Edition brings us up to version 2041d. Only elements of the game that have lore entries are included. Strategy texts and general explanations are not. If something is missing from the book then it doesn't have a lore entry. Some entries in the Compendium are no longer in the game.
     
  2. evanb

    evanb Philological Chaos

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    It looks great, especially the "old tome" effect you applied to the pages! Barbatos' picture is a bit unclear though, it just looks like a blob.
     
  3. xienwolf

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    Oh dear... It'll be recurrsive Infinity if you include my sig though!

    (ie - I am SO adding this to the sig!)

    Hints on Formatting, but reliant on Software I suppose.

    For Barbatos, lower the levels a bit before you do your effects. It should be possible to get him down to being nearly just outlines, but still in color, then do your effect to make it look like it is pencil work.

    For the PDF, if you are using Acrobat you can also adjust the manner in which it opens to force it to be 2 pages visible. Then it reads a bit more like a book, and the map is guaranteed to be all visible at once.
     
  4. thomas.berubeg

    thomas.berubeg Wandering the World

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    Good Job...

    maybe have a section on the heroes?
     
  5. smjjames

    smjjames Chieftain

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    pretty good work there :) and yea barbatos looks like a blob.

    As far as the lizardmen go, if they are cold blooded, then how come I've seen them in tundra and snow? lol. I'm not disputing you or saying that you're wrong, just that it's a little wierd.

    So those lizardmen either need to be unable to enter tundra or snow (the same thing was done for Wilboman and desert), or maybe give them a huge disadvantage in tundra and snow.
     
  6. xienwolf

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    evanb Philological Chaos

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    Oh, and about the map: the first time I saw it, I thought the light coloured parts were land, and the dark coloured parts water. I think it's because the light coloured parts just jump into view better that the others. Plus, the writing is also darkish, and thus less easy to spot. Maybe you should try switching the colours?
     
  8. loocas

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    No don't think about that!

    Lowering the levels is a good tip. The main effects I'm working with are High Pass and Threshold, so adjusting the levels helped me choose what comes through the High Pass. And I hadn't even considered keeping their color :)

    With the graphics I'm going for that woodcut look in old books. I find that very often they are hard to make out and look like blobs (so, compliment, thank you :)). I figured that people will know what the pictures really look like so I'd go for something more "stylish." I don't have to figure that way though. Barbatos is actually one of the darkest of the popups (I've done leaderheads too), so most of the others look better. Here's Barbatos without the middle layer, which was the original picture desaturated, gaussian blurred, and set to color burn (meant to look like ink fill and just plain old):



    The other limitation with the graphics is that there are nearly 100 of them, so I'm not going to do each one individually. I'm going to set up an action and batch them all. The Barbatos you see is a lighter version, believe it or not, that I did to compensate for the darker images.

    What do you think about that?

    As for the PDF, I thought that was up to the reader to change: View>Page Layout>Continuous - Facing. If I can set that to default I will. I'll check that out.

    Thanks for the tips xienwolf!

    As for the map, evenb, I keep seeing it that way too. That's why I added a bunch of lines and shades. I'll invert the two colors. Maybe that will do it. I never intended for the text to be readable, but "hard to spot"... I'll try some things. Also I need to add the locations of the world improvements.
     
  9. xienwolf

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    If you are using Acrobat, just go to File-->Properties and you can set it yourself for what the default is. Normally it uses the system set (for who opens it) default. But for my own manual I like to force it to open up in Book mode, Cover facing. Since you haven't got a cover yet, you could do just plain book mode.

    I find too many people don't actually know/care how to set up the 2 pages viewable at once feature :)


    New Barbatos image definitely looks good. And I would also do them all as a Batch, but then you clean up the odd 1 or 2 that doesn't quite come out right :)
     
  10. loocas

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    Alright, the First Edition is complete. It took a while because I started my new job as Technical Publishing Specialist this week, which means I do this same exact stuff for eight hours a day, just with environmental impact statements instead of fantasy game backstories. So, when I come home I'm a little less enthusiastic about doing more of this stuff.

    Anyway, please share your comments with me and please let me know if you notice anything wrong with it.

    Most of all, please enjoy the stories!
     
  11. Vehem

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    Just finished read through it - it's great to have everything in one place like that - nice work :goodjob:

    The only thing I was unsure about was the images. As you said, there are a lot of them and it's difficult to process each one individually into the woodcut/engraved style, but how would it look if you left the images unprocessed altogether?

    Having them unprocessed (i.e. full colour originals) would definitely remove some of the "effect" - but it's certainly not unheard of for old books to have full colour artistic illustrations. The benefit is that the original art is excellent and perfectly clear.

    Another alternative would be a simple batch sepia effect, at around 128 opacity (so that it allows some of the original colour through but unifies the aged look).
     
  12. jimi12

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    first off, i have to say great job! a couple of suggestions..

    like vehem said, the images are a bit unclear at times with the wood carving effect.
    also, is that the official canon map of erebus? i didnt think kael had come up with one. and also about the map, it is really hard to interpret it. is the dark parts water? or is the light parts? i assumed the dark parts were water but then looking at it, it had what i thought was water as having landmark names. I would change it from dark to light brown to a mossy green color and a light, faded blue color. or maybe even just outlines with pictures of mountains and trees and stuff on the land and little pictures of the leviathan and kraken on the water like in old maps.

    again, great job!
     
  13. loocas

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    Thank you.

    There is no canon map. In fact, this map is incorrect if anything given that Kael has said that Erebus is flat (and you can see that this map is cylindrical). It is Nikis Knight's pseudo-pangaea, which is my favorite map. Also he included signs of the landmarks. It seems that many of the upcoming scenarios take place in those landmarks.

    As far as the art goes, I think you're right about adding color. The map is so 50/50 that it's really hard to tell. Also I'm not happy with the text. I should have varied the text size at the very least. Anyway, comments like these are very valuable to me. Thanks :)

    I like the color idea. More so than the sepia, but I'll see what happens. Commonly woodcuts would have a couple colors, in addition to black, and I was thinking about that, but perhaps the colored originals with a slight effect to make them look printed would be cool. I'll try stuff. Thank you :)
     
  14. A_Hamster

    A_Hamster Small Furry Animal

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    Thank you for this. And thank you for making it available as a PDF and not on your preferred medium of human skin with the text inscribed in the victims blood! ;)

    There do seem to be some entries that must be for earlier versions of the game. (e.g. Ash Bearers.)

    As for the illustrations and map ... I did not have a problem seeing the illustrations, but like others, found the map difficult to view. Perhaps higher contrast on the various sepia tones?
     
  15. Fenboy

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    That is really quite an impressive collection of lore loocas. The sepia tone is a great touch too.

    /Hey MagisterCultuum, you've got a challenger! :lol:
     
  16. loocas

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    Challengers if anything. What I'm shooting for here is a new standard of knowledge. Plus, MC knoweth much that the xml doth not.

    I just haven't found any volunteers yet.

    YET.

    p.s. The current text xml has many entries for techs, units, etc. no longer in the game. I'll take what I can get.
     
  17. Kasdar

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    I may be odd but when it comes to pdf's I prefer to have it set to single page continuous with it fit to width

    I sometimes get annoyed when i have to go in and change it everytime I open a pdf file.

    Then again I own accrobat so I could always change it and save.
     
  18. Lord Civius

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    Great job on the book, just gave it a quick look through. I am new to fhf and will be reading it leisurely over the next few days.
     
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    This bump has been made for the reasons of great justice.

    Also to increase awareness of this Compendium, and in hopes that it will inspire it's creators to update it.
     

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