[RD] Clinton vs. Trump - USA Presidential race.

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Trump is trying to put Democrats on the defensive, trying to avoid even the appearance of rigging, while he himself is enagaging in voter suppression wherever he can.

Even the Nevada lawsuit is voter suppression: not enough early voting places in Latino districts, causing long lines and deterring Latinos from voting. Latinos turn out to vote anyway and wait 2 hours in line, past the closing time. The polling place stays open until everyone who was in line at the closing time gets a chance to vote. Trump then sues Nevada, claiming they should have shut down the voting and sent everyone away waiting in line. Scumbag.
 
Trump is trying to put Democrats on the defensive, trying to avoid even the appearance of rigging, while he himself is enagaging in voter suppression wherever he can.

Even the Nevada lawsuit is voter suppression: not enough early voting places in Latino districts, causing long lines and deterring Latinos from voting. Latinos turn out to vote anyway and wait 2 hours in line, past the closing time. The polling place stays open until everyone who was in line at the closing time gets a chance to vote. Trump then sues Nevada, claiming they should have shut down the voting and sent everyone away waiting in line. Scumbag.

Isn't that standard practice? You vote till closing time, not vote if you were in line at closing time? Otherwise you have no way to verify who voted/when. When was the latest time Nevada voting station officials wrote down a voter casting vote past the official voting time?

Don't care why Trump would sue, but the argument is rather logical.
 
No, it is the law that if you are in the line by closing time, you get to vote, and has always been that way.

News to me. What if there are 500 (or insert larger number) people in the voting line? Can they vote 2 hours after the official end of voting?

How many people is this about, anyway? Cause if it is a small number then it is so trivial it doesn't deserve even noting.
 
What's implausible about it? When the polls close, you mark the last person in line as "the end of the line" and then post up an election official at that spot and prevent anybody else from getting in line.
 
What's implausible about it? When the polls close, you mark the last person in line as "the end of the line" and then post up an election official at that spot and prevent anybody else from getting in line.

And what if more people try to join? Will he force them not to? Sounds like a situation which can very easily get out of hand in an election with passions running high.
 
Slate has decided to break with that tradition a bit this year, by reporting and extrapolating exit poll data throughout the day.

http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html
Until recently, here in Canada it used be illegal to broadcast results from early time zones to later time zones where the polls hadn't closed yet. The internet changed that, of course, and now the western voters can be influenced by what we hear from earlier time zones. There was an attempt to offset this by staggering the poll-closing times, but still... when you consider that we have six time zones, far too much information is going to get out.

The only thing that might be good about such early disclosures, however, is real-time documenting of irregularities such as people being turned away from polling stations, people being intimidated, people ineligible to vote being allowed to vote, machines not working (really, U.S., the paper and pencil method has served Canada well for a very long time, and every voting station is equipped with a pencil sharpener), etc.

As for exit polls, they've been tried here. Any presiding deputy returning officer who is alert for that sort of thing tells the pollster to leave the premises. People are not allowed in the polling station, or in the immediate vicinity of the polling station, unless they are that station's official workers, scrutineers, or voters.
 
You're entitled to vote after 10 pm in the UK, provided that you were already present and waiting to do so by 10 pm. (It might even be a few minutes beforehand, but still.)
 
And what if more people try to join? Will he force them not to? Sounds like a situation which can very easily get out of hand in an election with passions running high.

Yeah, you say, "Sorry, polls have closed," and then those people go away. What are they going to do? Burst into the voting center, steal a ballot from the election official, fill out their ballot, push an election official to the side, and then put their ballot in the ballot box? What kind of crazy democracy do you live in?
 
Yeah, you say, "Sorry, polls have closed," and then those people go away. What are they going to do? Burst into the voting center, steal a ballot from the election official, fill out their ballot, push an election official to the side, and then put their ballot in the ballot box? What kind of crazy democracy do you live in?

Say no more!
 
And what if more people try to join? Will he force them not to? Sounds like a situation which can very easily get out of hand in an election with passions running high.
It's not as if there weren't records intended to prevent people from voting twice during the same election, as some Drumpf supporters have been doing in order to prevent fraud.
 
The amount of data held by private interests that are required to make the Slate / VoteCastr system work is utterly staggering. It requires the name, gender, age, and political affiliation of a massive number of voters as well as real time knowledge of when they have voted.

The amount of data that private interest have access to tends to be widely underestimated.
 
The amount of data that private interest have access to tends to be widely underestimated.


Just to add to this, the United States government buys data on private citizens from for profit companies. If you think the government has too much data on you, just keep in mind that the source of much of that data is the private sector. The Census Bureau buys data on you from the private sector. Think about it.
 
Just to add to this, the United States government buys data on private citizens from for profit companies. If you think the government has too much data on you, just keep in mind that the source of much of that data is the private sector. The Census Bureau buys data on you from the private sector. Think about it.

It's a big data back scratching fest.
 
Wow. if Votecastr is right about the turnout and Clinton margin in Florida, Rubio might lose his senate seat after all.
 
News to me. What if there are 500 (or insert larger number) people in the voting line? Can they vote 2 hours after the official end of voting?

How many people is this about, anyway? Cause if it is a small number then it is so trivial it doesn't deserve even noting.

For the record, if I read it right, Kyriakos is in favor of disenfranchising 500 people likely to vote against Trump. Because they don't matter much.
 
So many stories on twitter coming out about Trump supporters not registering to vote, then being pissed about it when trying to vote.
 
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