Clown Car II: Revenge of the Clowns

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Admittedly, this guy was no Kellyanne.

<heads off to see if Kellyanne has said anything lately>
 
Hah-hah-hah, Steve Bannon is now officially out.

I laugh to avoid crying.
 
"A great day for David Duke and racists everywhere. The president of the United States all but declared that he has their backs."
-- The Washington Post editorial board on Trump Charlottesville remarks

"Nothing makes us more proud at the KKK than we see white patriots such as James Fields Jr., age 20, taking his car and running over nine communist anti-fascists, killing...Heather Heyer...It's men like [Fields] that have made the great white race strong, and we'll be strong again."
-- phone message of KKK Loyal White Knights

"Caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn...Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate....This is a defining moment."
-- Mitt Romney, calling on Trump to apologize
 
"Nothing makes us more proud at the KKK than we see white patriots such as James Fields Jr., age 20, taking his car and running over nine communist anti-fascists, killing...Heather Heyer...It's men like [Fields] that have made the great white race strong, and we'll be strong again."
-- phone message of KKK Loyal White Knights

I do not know US laws,
Is this not violating the law ? Leading to arrest, court and prison ?
 
I do not know US laws,
Is this not violating the law ? Leading to arrest, court and prison ?

I'm certain that celebration of terrorism falls well within speech protected by the constitution.
 
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I do not know US laws,
Is this not violating the law ? Leading to arrest, court and prison ?


The man who drove the car has been arrested. And will face a trial and prison. The man being an jackass saying it was a good thing didn't break any law, because it's not against the law to be an jackass.
 
The man who drove the car has been arrested. And will face a trial and prison. The man being an jackass saying it was a good thing didn't break any law, because it's not against the law to be an jackass.

Specifically, I don't believe the US has anything akin to the hate speech laws found in other developed nations.
 
Correct. Unfortunately, we do not.
It's not like the European hate speech laws do anything though. The Netherland's home grown bigot, Geert Wilders, got convicted of hate speech in calling for the expulsion of Moroccans can it changed ..... absolutely nothing. It isn't like people said "Oh, he got convicted for hate speech? I guess I'll have to change my opinion of him now because he is a wrong 'un."
 
It's not like the European hate speech laws do anything though. The Netherland's home grown bigot, Geert Wilders, got convicted of hate speech in calling for the expulsion of Moroccans can it changed ..... absolutely nothing. It isn't like people said "Oh, he got convicted for hate speech? I guess I'll have to change my opinion of him now because he is a wrong 'un."

Executing law is also there to give the satisfaction (to the victims, related persons and the people) that the violation has been recognised as such by the state and punished accordingly by the state.

In the case of Geert Wilders that did not change the behaviour of for example Geert Wilders, but the state has taken her responsibility to act upon that violation in the name of the people and justice.
If the state draws her hands away, it invites mobs to settle things themselves.
Opposite and fighting mobs in the streets are a bad thing for a democracy.
 
It's not like the European hate speech laws do anything though. The Netherland's home grown bigot, Geert Wilders, got convicted of hate speech in calling for the expulsion of Moroccans can it changed ..... absolutely nothing. It isn't like people said "Oh, he got convicted for hate speech? I guess I'll have to change my opinion of him now because he is a wrong 'un."

Perhaps, but I'll bet it provides an out when he wants to give a speech and the venue needs a legal way to say "no, go somewhere else."
 
Well it's good that things cool down. "New civil war" :shake:


Main issue isn't what shows are on, but what ability there is in a society to not landlock a debate in perpetual build-up of division. US isn't it.
When clowns say stuff, you better have non-clowns to be sane, instead of comedians from both sides. Both left and right in the US suck, and the "debate" is now always about "you suck more, we are the lesser of two evils". Right looking like some tele-evangelist run militia, left/"left" looking like a bunch of tools. Maybe the issue is that none of the two are worth anything at all, and some logical discussion would go a long way - but is nowhere to be found.
 
Are you watching Alex Jones and expecting any level of reasonable discourse? :eek:
 
Are you watching Alex Jones and expecting any level of reasonable discourse? :eek:

No, and i don't have the stamina to watch it either, cause it is tele-evangelism (they even have priests who say Trump was chosen by god and the holy spirit).
The point is that when even such garbage doesn't get sidelined, it isn't just due to the choir liking it; it also is due to the "other side" being crap in their own ways.
Spells disaster.
 
It's not like the European hate speech laws do anything though. The Netherland's home grown bigot, Geert Wilders, got convicted of hate speech in calling for the expulsion of Moroccans can it changed ..... absolutely nothing. It isn't like people said "Oh, he got convicted for hate speech? I guess I'll have to change my opinion of him now because he is a wrong 'un."

They cement opinions as "not OK". Some people will still hold them, some will be a bit more ashamed, but they're unlikely to seep into the mainstream and reach critical mass. People in Germany were freaking out over the "success" of the AfD in the past two ears. "Success" means that they polled at 14% whe the refugge crisis was really ramping up and are now at 7%. Worrying and too much, but there's no way they get into government.
Meanwhile, in the Land of the Free, political culture has degenerated to the point that you can denounce an ethnicity as drug mules and rapists and get over 45%.
 
Specifically, I don't believe the US has anything akin to the hate speech laws found in other developed nations.
What do you mean ‘other’?
 
Of course, new clownish quote:

‘Alt-left’ - Donald J. Trump.
 
What's the 'alt-left'? Experts say it's a 'made-up term'
By Joe Sterling and Nicole Chavez, CNN

Updated 6:08 AM ET, Wed August 16, 2017

CNN)President Donald Trump equated white supremacist marchers in Charlottesville to counterprotesters by calling them "alt-left," prompting an immediate backlash and questions about the term itself.
"What about the alt-left that came charging at, as you say, the alt-right, do they have any semblance of guilt ... What about the fact they came charging with clubs in hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do," Trump said at a news conference Tuesday referring to a rally in Charlottesville that turned violent over the weekend.
Many people have never heard of the "alt-left," but "alt-right" is a term that's found its way into popular culture and the vernacular of politicians and journalists.
Richard Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute and the editor of Radix Journal, is credited with coining the term "alt-right."
"I don't use the term white nationalist to describe myself," he said. "I like the term alt-right. It has an openness to it. And immediately understandable. We're coming from a new perspective."
But Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism, said this is simply a rebranding -- "a new name for this old hatred."
Is there really 'an alt-left'?
It's a "made-up term" used by people on the right to "suggest there is a similar movement on the left," Segal said.
But there's no equivalent with the anti-Semitic and bigoted groups that call themselves "alt-right", he said.
George Hawley, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Alabama, said the "alt-left" term has been most aggressively pushed by Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity, but it's not a label anyone or group has adopted for themselves.
"There is no such movement as the alt-left. Obviously, there are left-wing extremists but there is no congruence between the far-left and the alt-right."
Antifa, which is short for anti-fascist, is a controversial opposition group formed by a broad group of people whose political beliefs lean toward the left but do not conform with the Democratic Party platform. Members are known for causing damage to property during protests and some employ radical or militant tactics to get their message across.

What is Antifa?

"There is violence on the left. The anti-fascists engage with those they oppose through physical confrontation. And that is a problem. That is an extremists tactic. There is also bigotry on the left," Segal said.
One reason could be that left groups are not trying to repackage themselves to go mainstream as the far right has, he said.
"Do not get me wrong; there are extremists on the left, including very problematic ones. But the "alt left" is not a thing. It's just an insult," wrote Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the ADL center, on Twitter.
What is 'alt-right'?
"Alt-right" has become intertwined with the term white nationalism, which originated as a euphemism for white supremacy, the belief that white people are superior to all other races and should therefore dominate society, Segal said.

Who are white nationalists and what do they want?

People who hold these beliefs sometimes go by other names, including alt-right, Identarians and race realists.
Other white supremacist groups include the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis. But most white supremacists aren't affiliated with an organized group, Segal said. Some also take measures to distance themselves from known hate groups, like the KKK.
Some Klansmen still favor white robes and hoods. But groups like the alt-right, overwhelmingly made up of Millennial men, prefer khakis and collared shirts. They're active on social media and employ irony and humor in their messaging, Segal said.
But the goal is the same: a white ethno-state where each race lives in a separate nation.
White supremacists and their ilk see diversity as a threat, Segal said. A popular white supremacist slogan is, "Diversity is a code word for white genocide."
'Different universes'
A year ago, Republican presidential candidate Trump pushed back at Hillary Clinton's characterization of him as a supporter of the "alt-right."
"There's no 'alt-right' or 'alt-left.' All I'm embracing is common sense," Trump said at the time. "We're bringing love."
On Tuesday night, members of Congress and celebrities took to social media to criticize how Trump compared counterprotesters and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville.
"No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes," Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee and former Massachusetts governor wrote on Twitter.

Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren called Trump's comments sick.
"The President of the United States just defended neo-Nazis and blamed those who condemn their racism and hate. This is sick," Warren wrote.

Bernie Sanders tweeted, "The violence in Charlottesville was not caused by the "alt-left," (whatever that may be). It was caused by Neo-Nazis and white supremacists."

Star Trek actor and activist George Takei condemned Trump's use of the term "alt-left."

"Trump's trying to invent an "alt-left" as scary as Nazis. But if standing up to white supremacy makes someone alt-left, then count me in," Takei wrote.

CNN's Ray Sanchez contributed to this report.
© 2017 Cable News Network.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/what-is-alt-left/index.html


It's about faking an equivalence. The left has to be portrayed as being as bad as the right to justify the right being so bad.
 
There is only one key difference between alt-left and alt-right.
At least on my keyboard.
 
That's correct. In mine there's only the spacebar separating the two.
 
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