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Clown Car III: Who's Laughing Now

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Broken_Erika, Dec 22, 2017.

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  1. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I'll sit with you

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    I'm certain that Trump can't swordfight as well as Palpatine.
     
  2. Lexicus

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    :agree:
     
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  3. Timsup2nothin

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    Once again, the concern isn't that "he has this streak in him." The concern is that he was elected by people who were dying to have someone to vote for who wasn't afraid to say it. The Trumpist base consists of people who are crying for a despotism, and have been for years.
     
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  5. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    pro-tip: don't tip
     
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  6. Gori the Grey

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    Agreed. At least equally concerning. And it played in to how the episode played out. He started complaining about the Dems, then heard, or pretended to hear, "treasonous" from the audience. Then picked that up, or pretended to pick it up, and play it around in his mind. (Very much like the "should I kill journalists?" moment on the campaign trail--"just spitballin' here.") It either is their thought, or he manufactures it as the thought they already have. But it absolutely emerges from the give and take of what they're dying to hear and he's willing to say.
     
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  7. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    This is what we've been telling you since 2015 when el Donald announced his bid for the presidency. If he were an unelected tyrant then he himself would be the main problem. But it isn't. The fact is that you have millions of voters and a (h)uge chunk of the political structure of the U.S. of A. that backs him and his ideas and projects. And, not least, his prejudices. And, that, my good sirs, is terrible.
     
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    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    None of it has ever really been funny from the beginning. You just have to be able to approach it with gallows humor in order to endure it.
     
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  9. Lexicus

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    I have been claiming that the body politic in the US is suffering from serious, possibly terminal, disease since the Bush years. The voters are largely irrelevant; the problem is that so much of the 'political structure' (as you call it, in the US this is effectively synonymous with 'the ruling classes') backs Trump. Fact is that the billionaire class and the large corporations largely opposes Trump only inasmuch as they see him as a threat to profits. And there is a "bipartisan consensus" on policy, which a huge number of so-called liberals explicitly want to return to, that is not all that different from Trump in substance.
     
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    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    He didnt read Nunes Memo, theres no way he read the Democrat Memo
    Iam guessing Kelly had to brief him on its content. Maybe the Democats should buy some ad time on Fox news

     
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    So I'm not feeling the outrage I thought this would provoke so let me expand -

    The National Restaurant Association has asked the Trump administration to end rules that forbid pooling of tips between front of the house and back of the house employees. Most cooks are not tipped and most servers are. It is illegal to share tips between them to equalize pay (and LOL they are not going to voluntarily raise wages for the back of the house). Ostensibly, this rule would allow owners to take tips from the front and give them to the back. This raises wages for the back of the house but of course it's a 'rob Peter to pay Paul' situation in that it is at best a wash for wages overall but a big loss for the front of the house.

    Of course, however, this ruling does not stop the owners from just keeping all the wages or some portion thereof. This legalizes wage theft at a basic level.

    It also does nothing to address the rampant abuses already present in that tipped servers are not usually covered when their wages+tips fall below minimum. It also completely undermines the (stupid) rationale for tipping in the first place - to reward good service with higher wages.

    Also, the government broke their own rules in publishing this proposed rule change (which will likely go through). They had no hearings and published no reports on the benefits and costs of the new rules. They claim they didn't produce a report at all (whaa it's too hard!) but rumor is a report was produced and then squashed internally because it showed what a nightmare situation this will be for workers.

    Guys, they are now going after the wages of the poorest members of society. RAGE

    My first career was as a chef. 100% you can be assured that owners will keep a healthy chunk of the tips they confiscate - just like they already keep 'delivery fees' that people think go to drivers (they don't) and just like they allow rampant sexual harassment, assaults and a long list of federal workforce protection violations to happen. Restaurants are the worst.
    He won't read it and I bet there's 50/50 odds that he won't publish it either. And if he does, he'll censor the crap out of it so that it's worthless.
     
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    My initial reaction to this was *sigh* "this happens already, unfortunately"... there are places I eat where I know to tip cash because a card-written tip wont actually get to the folks you intended. I tip the pizza/Chinese etc., delivery guy the same as I tip waiter because I've done the job and I know how effed those guys are... ruining their car and burning up gas with zero employer-reimbursement... Just look at this:
    Typical of a raisin-lover and exactly why we all need to band together and stop raisins now before their evil marches all over the face of the earth... But seriously not tipping is a sad, but easy solution that many folks will choose to resolve these issues... do we think it forces restaurants to pay living wages? Or just resort to exploiting illegal immigrants?
    And now our Supreme Leader will graciously give us one of these...



    just in case we forgot that Murica spends more on military than essentially everyone else combined... yep that's how we roll... be afraid... be very afraid... that's the point... apparently :sad:
     
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    this post will make more sense with background information that ı check on a different gaming forum : For CFC lacks so much "anti" viewpoint . Me being a forum idiot and stuff probably "helps" a lot ; we here in CFC are no longer worthy of conversion by , you know , a bunch including the Saudi Foreign Ministry . Usual r16 soup follows :

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    first , the guy , the very expert who shames all experts . General public in Turkey will know him as the "one with the hairgel" . With hair looking as solid as a biker's helmet . If they were to knock their heads , am ready to bet that BSS's aka Trump's hairdo would give way . Turkish citizens of that other forum have only mentioned one single idea of West trying to kill the PM with Telekinesis ; and ı would have to say anything from Bah to Meh . Like having two guns and a number of ammo clips to fight people in the name of the PM ? Nothing outstanding with like thousands will be offering to do . He is catering to the lumpen masses on TV , besides being the "chief" economic advisor to the PM , at least back in the day . One needs extras , like a widespread belief that he hid in a motoryatch , ready to run to Greek islands or Romania or whatever after the Disgrace of July 15th and coming out an hero after makin' deals . A similar capability in the past must be why he was ready to become the head of CHP , had America and stuff desired so . And amazingly for a forum that deals generously with the Empire of Vomit to eat More , there is not the slightest suggestion that the guy is an ardent hater of Romans , attacking a State dead for 1500 odd years with gusto whenever "Muslims" can not find anyone else to troll . No corrections required , now that he deals with the Byzantines seperately . And yeah , no cookies for the first kid to make a connection with the Telekinesis claim and stuff . You see , Gates the Defence Secretary , would slip on ice , or run into the cupboards whenever Congregation moaned and rejected American commands to find some guy [you surely don't know] to send to jail and demanded them Americans handle that dirt on their own , bringing more trouble of raised eyebrows in the American handlers of the Golden Generation . Poor Bobby's travails were then celebrated much as the evidence of the miracolous powers of the spiritual leader of the Congregation , you know , 'cause they could never fail ...


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    nationalism is a thing that can lead one to humiliation , kind of wearing horseblinds . Kardak crisis not started for Papandreau was on his deathbed , but ı myself would be seeing maps of what would the Aegean be with 12 miles of territoritorial waters in like 1984 and America was yet undecided with regards to the Islamists . Would they manage on their own or did they need a suger coated cover ? Some Turkish freighter runs aground , Greeks naturally declare the area is theirs , Turkish authorities naturally declare it's nothing of the sort . Typical bickering , doesn't even need to be in the Evening news . Uh , America pushes Athens planting a flag , for like everybody knows the extrajudiciary killings in Turkey are only about getting a slice of the drug trade and it might really explode in Çiller's face . You see , ı remember the times Papandreau pushed for a war in the 80s and backed down . ı was in the schoolyard for the break , and came back to a pandemium . The guys jumping up and down after reports that a ship of the now dead Turkish Navy fired across the bow of a Greek one . Not because of patriotic fervour , not even because a war would have meant schools closed for the duration . Mere fun , it was a tradition of that bunch to announce loudly after one of them breaking wind , as an example . It's decades later that ı also learned Papandreau sent emissaries to Moscow to open a second front against Turks . Not political support or favourable articles in the Pravda , but whole Transcaucaus reinforced with the likes of the 16th Aerial Army from Germany and fighting , too ...

    and of course a former diplomat in the thick of it was on TV recently , remembering his conversation with an American at about the end of the 1990s . The State Department person saying there would be no war with USN intelligence ships around . Presumably with them hacking computers of both sides . The emotional aspect for the Greeks arises from the helicopter crash that killed 3 men of theirs , they want it accepted as an unjustified Turkish aggression after they failed to spot and intercept the Turkish landing and planting of a flag on the second islet as they were occupying the first . Ankara has always refused it was shot down ; that would have led straight to war , now that Greeks like never shy from engaging in gun battles with Turks . 212 something that helicopter must be and Hueys would have like no full authority autopilots hackable on demand back then . So it might presumably be spoofing the radar altimeter in that pitch black night , though the official Greek verdict is that the pilot had an heart attack as far as ı know .

    that other gaming forum apparently has a Congregation fan and he straightaway refuses to remember the commander of the Turkish naval commandos on Kardak was caught up with the fake conspiracies of the same golden wonder boys and very visibly locked up with full intention of throwing away the key . Some story , with the guy ordered to land next to the Greeks and make no noise and stuff to avoid a war and naturally Ankara has done nothing logistically and the guy uses his own credit card to possibly to go to actual war , buying fuel for the outboards for the boats from a gas station on location . That would be something to remember when the Congregation took over the country for their 1984 and introduced brain washing sessions that forcibly taught everything before them was cowardly .


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    hmm , where to begin ?

    syria could do . With the mentioned operation in that Afrin location . Say , "Muslims" insist anything before them was cowardly . Actually something was said about how New Turkey was neither Ottomans , the Sick Man of Europe of late , nor wet behind the ears like the Republic of 1923 . And people insist am wrong when ı say New Turkey is neither Ottoman nor Turkish , but New Turkey . As such , the world trembles , everybody fears and all sorts of other verbs at this matchless feat of New Turkey . No mainstream TV debate programme can apparently discuss why they have prepared for like 3 years for this and like 100 rockets have been fired on towns this side of the border . ı say this while being well aware that finding rocket launchers (at least as soon as they fire) is a thing the Israelis have not exactly perfected yet . Despite the material riches they enjoy and stuff , courtesy of US , matched with a renown for military technology innovation and decades of engagements with Palestinians of all stripes . A fast armoured attack , while vulnerable to ambushes , mines , the lot as experienced in last year's rush to El Bab , but surely would not give the continious PR coverage . Our sunnier Sunni Brothers now imposed as an analogue of Kuvayi Milliye , the "National Forces" of 1919-21 something , later forming the now extinct Turkish Armed Forces . Not an accident , now that Arabs are like the only brothers left . In the good old days when the word Turk was most undesirable , Kurds were also brothers , especially the seperatists , too . The first days of operation were "slow" and when it became apparent that neither Russians would stop or something in Idlip nor the seperatists would surrender the whole area to Damascus to justify Russians stopping in Idlip , the dear seperatist leader was approached apparently . To make that happen and apparently he refused . So , his 40 by 27 meters portrait in some Afrin hillside was bombed . Not on the forehead as movies require as sign of marksmanship . Not on the nose as the geographical center , but the mouth with all sorts of sexual connotations you can ever imagine . Cool New Turkey ? With the old Turkey , that portrait would have never existed in the first place , even without any Civil War in Syria to dilute any wish by Damascus to retaliate to an "attack" on its territory . And despite the claims about a thousand dead seperatists by now , everybody like totally knows there will be yet another "Peace" process anyhow . For it justifies the weakening of the "Turk" and replacement by Qatar .

    all the press releases stress the territorial integrity of Syria and "liberation" from the terrorists while all the people in the street talk of "conquest" . This aided by continious planting of flags on hills , one every day and each strategically vital , it feels like Wehrmacht blitzing down the Low Countries or gets blitzed back a few years later . Minor thing , dear TV presenters . 1122. tepe is not 1122th hill but shows its height in meters and read as 1122 rakımlı tepe , even if that would be some mountaintop and whatever ... It was announced on TV that imams would everyday read the Verses form the Kuran , specifically the Ones about Fetih , meaning conquest . Proves Ankara is super tough , super victorious , super glorious . Only happens because A-K-P is in charge and should be given all the vote . If not , America will come back and the glory will be taken away and all folks will be made slaves like they were in the Republic of 1923 , that sort of thing . But then , this will never happen because you know why . Ankara is super tough , super victorious , super glorious . Got it ?

    the narrative is though challenged . By the simple fact that Greeks have been flying their flags on some islands and they weren't flying them in the days Ankara was not super tough , super victorious , super glorious . Which is basically the only single thing that might crack a crack in the almost racist ranks . Who with typical "jackalism" have forgotten the days they hated A-K-P . Not because New Turkey fights the seperatists , but has come to share the loot , with the leader of the almost racists set to become a Vice President or something . Tsipras the jerk threw the cross to the water and the youth raced to find it , as per the Orthodox custom in one of their new acquisitions and there was not a single reaction from Ankara . Nothing from the expert who shames all experts , either . Simply because CHP as the Main Opposition never expects to win any elections , their leader promised to take the islands back . With no risk of questioned why he failed , because he will never be in a position to do anything . And more to the point the commando leader has gone into politics in that party that splintered from the almost racists and will surely be present when the female leader of his party lands on an island the Greeks have started flying a flag . See , to prevent something , because you can expect something real happening Ankara would have to physically stop them from landing . On the other hand Kammenos (?) , the defence Minister of Greece , is the guy that yearly starts a row with remembrence of Kardak ; but both sides have long agreed that there will be no landings and stuff on the location . His yearly helicopter overflights which were like unstoppable converted a ship trip that was toughly , victoriously and gloriously stopped this year . If this "Iyi Parti" ever manages to slip past the Greeks and obviously the Party , it will be only because the expert who shames all experts made all the Greeks wet themself with fear . So the threats against Tsipras is merely a game , an agreement , a whatever .

    because in case you didn't know , Athens LOVES this Ankara , which is super tough , super victorious , super glorious .


    situation

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    like because ı wouldn't give them any islands , right ?

    the Republic of 1923 was very solid on no border changes . Hatay itself is no aberration at all , now that while idiots we Turks manage to retain some of the historical experience . Like the landlocked Servians as they were in the 1900s , in some long running dispute with Austrians who banned Serbian pigs (pork products ı really mean) making into this Adriatic port and buying cannons for the reckoning and Ittihad with typical wisdom allowing them transferred overland , so that they could shrapnel troops to bits and overcome fortresses in 1912-13 . Possibly dragged all the way to reduce Edirne , too . Apart from being a center of Diversity to re-introduce "Diversity" to Turkey when "National Unification" is complete , Hatay neatly extends down to Alawite strongholds of Syria and what reason should Arabs ever like Kurds again ? Or perhaps them Frenchies prefer it taken away with an alliance with Berlin ? Yeah , Kemal's illness was a factor and while he hurted a lot , he had no trouble in reminding that any replacement of him might not share his opinion that Nazis were indeed dogs , despite Fuehrer's underreported "adoration" of Atatürk , the most succesful dictator of the 20th Century .

    mind you , ı just trawled a book from the net written by Greek authors on why their Turkish minority never rebelled , never joined Bulgarians during their stay in the early 1940s and not even took part in the Civil War of the late 1940s . Turkish minorities just existed , never weaponized , never used . They would be -only when there would be whole 'ing Parachute Divisions to fight alongside with them , now that Republic of 1923 never forgot the disasters of the Balkan Wars and what happens to the civilians of the defeated . With 'ing Parachute Divisions there would be no need to weaponize to minorities as well . Don't give me that Mustafa Kemal would have no idea of airborne operations either , he followed the Soviets closely , for starters .

    athens considers whatever strategic depth previously existed to be filled by the gravels of wisdom from "Strategic Depth" , some book by the Little Imperialist . Because seperatists were our brothers , we together abandoned land to ISIL , who were not to be hurt as they were the future , the embodiment of the abolishment of the evil Sykes - Picot deal . Strictly because Macmaster failed in cleansing the area to satisfaction that ISIL's primary slave bazaars were in Telafer . Whose Turkoman majority saw no support from the New Turkey as long as Iranians didn't show up . We had the spectacle of super tough , super victorious , super glorious face of New Turkey as one journo ranted on TV for his lost years ; he was like sorry whenever Saddam oppressed Turkish speaking minority in Iraq , but they just didn't know they were all Shia down there . Check CFC and see r16 ranting in 2014 on how New Turkey "celebrated" whenever another Ottoman fort fell to ISIL . This is the very essence of abandoning land , because the Tomb of Süleymanshah is Turkish land and there would be no issues at all when a whole Division of whatever composition was run there and told to dig in ; you know the lines of communication forcing the occupation of like the bank of Euphrates . But then it would be real hard for our seperatist brothers to overcome that Division . So super toughly , super victoriously , super gloriously the Tomb was moved to a location 800 meters from the border . Naturally like all the military commanders of this heroic feat were arrested after the Disgrace of July 15th . Syrians have faced Israel for like 70 years , like without batting an eyelid , do you really think they would let a Tomb of the supposed ancestor of the Ottoman Dynasty keep existing merely because a Colonel of the now extinct Turkish Armed Forces banged his fist on the table in Damascus in late 1970s ? ı think that's called a double envelopment , internal circumference or some other random military gibberish . In case America started supporting Kurds elsewhere after Saddam paid some ransom to stave off the Shah's ambitions ? But then the Colonel was advised to just to do that if everything else failed ; because nobody would really want to dance with the Turk . You know , in Hyboria . Oh , there will be something on that later in the post .


    additional material

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    the expert who shames all experts currently leading the thing to get news portals and the like to get licences from the Goverment , creating much discussion about censorship . While a Goverment Minister just on TV and newspapers . In a meeting moderated by a robot and the robot asks him to talk slowly and various stuff . Right on the moment the Minister talks there's no censorship whatsoever in the country . Minister asks for responsible people to ifx that and the robot is re-formatted on the spot . Like gets a brainwipe and re-installation , like that . Not an accident ; not only a dig against Sophia , the first AI citizen in the world , of Saudis to boot . But also proof that they are most ready to give the 1984 America wants with regards to Turkey , the old . Now that Tillerson and MacMaster are on their way to country . Because it's cool , ı don't expect them to be received ; MacMaster will surely report to Ibrahim Kalın's office at the designated hour , make him buy some chocolates and a boquet of flower , too . This reasons because there's evil in Turkey who long talked the West would not allow this country to have SAM systems . To placate them S-400s are "bought" which then strangely leads to ever more "isolation" of the country . To placate the same MacMaster order the deal scrubbed , Ankara can not , hence they just announced Party companies will not be partners to a Russian nuclear power station .


    while comes later , let me add that younger generations do not know stuff , but ı have seen it in person . Back in history mail meant people putting paper pages into some paper construct . In undeveloped parts of the world , people even wrote the letter with pens and pencils . Then into the "envelope" and you gotta lick the parts . Even something called a "stamp" . Then took to a place called post office . Then a horseman took it to destination . Yeah , either that or postman had to wear mail underwear cause his backside would be considered a pet dog's delicacy.


    risk assesment

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    greece might abandon two decade long policy of so called "Friendship" with Turkey . Caught opposing American designs in the Balkans per se , with caveman's Anti-Turkishness in contrast to a more refined Anglosaxon approach , they have done "great" by committing themselves to a close relationship with Ankara . But they are witnessing the "vaunted" Kurds are regularly proving to be a minor irritation at best , spoiling their war plans of long . They are also depending a lot of on the hydrocarbon deals with Israel , hence influence in Washington . Result should be a no need for a change in posture .



    personal opinion / statement / etc

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    yeah , would ı break the leg of Tsipras ?

    why the need to delegate yours idiotly under a friend of Greece ? Am not in the business of retractions and not particularly ashamed of anything in regards to the islands occupied or not occupied by Greeks . Have ı forgotten the expert who shames all experts is on the board of the telecommunications company ? SMS message says 32 liras to pay , the office demands 32.5 and the paper they give back carries no numbers at all on it . ı don't know why but ı have this weird feeling that we paid 13 monthly bills each for two consecutive years during the last decade . Have ı offended the Hariri family ?

    let me tell you what will happen . Again . One of these days , whoever is in power in Athens will think the time is right and will flaunt your new acquisitions gloriously . There will be a need to make an impression . One of your new acquisitions will see an operation . People will die , mostly yours . Tsipras or no Tsipras , your leaders will look to Washington and Tel Aviv and no help will come . Stuff , instead of a hoped for diplomatic victory . ı expect your Military just to be like the now extinct Turkish Armed Forces . They will be most unhappy to abandon their brothers in arms on the day , and so many of the acquisitions on the next . But can't be helped . Gotta understand the Fear of Allah is still a thing . Has led to revision of a stand of mine . About Phantoms only against Greece . Which was globally seen as not a joke , but of classic hate / notable vitriol against Greeks . With now an F-16 day inserted , where your pilots will be able to personally witness that their mounts haven't progressed one bit in the last 40 years and they are much better off as Infantry if they are that keen . Instead of getting a Sparrow on the mid fuselage as soon the wheels are tucked in meters off the runway . Both F-16 and Mirage 2000 are kinda small airframes , not much chance of surviving that . That stems from the Fleet Standart 71 , a thing that never existed but did . You see all sorts of books and websites mention a 1978 fight between the F-4s of yours and the now dead THK over Cyprus . In which you are supposed to come out worse . None of your people knows , and would not say if they knew , who cares about for ours anyhow ? Most probably impossible as the American arms embargo was biting deep . But then the RAF crews were greatly offended ; Ecevit was once again the Prime Minister and his humiliation would be great as the Turkish idiots misidentified the planes as Greeks , thus hammered to bits between British aces and valiant Greeks . As always the defeat of the shock to convince to Kurds to rise . Still can't tell whether it was Somebody or Someone who used to wear the Blue , but one of them wrote a mock report , as bogus as the gist and structure of this official looking post and mailed it straight to the evaluators of AIMVAL / ACEVAL . Naturally with never standing still , changed according to the year . Thus , currently it states the lead RAF Phantom was 45° off the nose when the first shot was fired . Being of such colourful descriptions , it has even made its way to places you wouldn't believe . It didn't raise the arms embargo , which happened in September of the year , but a different outcome would have helped to keep it on , to enable the general Kurdish uprising . America took the safe bet of Santa Turgut . While there were one or two newspaper articles on how Turkey just could have flying saucers in a couple of years' time , instead of stinkin' Phantoms . Oh yeah , Airplane the movie ruined the world ; ı keep hearing that a lot .




    come on , Red Apple !

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    ı love apples , red , yellow and green . The "official" usage is also wrong , as a mistical target to aim to reach and changing according to the needs . Istanbul before 1453 was one , replaced by Rome until 1480 , Vienna being the one between 1520s to 1680s . It's actually a golden orb , like you might see over Orthodox Churches and the like , signifying some big town to loot . You know , Heaven for horsebandits . With Kızıl having a shift in meaning over centuries . Like Americans insisting to depict Sonja the Firehair as a Red . Even made her a Caucasian . But that's nothing -considering the degenerate she is in current comics ...


    link this if you want , you will be of some help to the guy who wants America and Israel to evict not the 60 or so millions , but 100 million Turks from whatever they are and replaced by the worthy Greeks . In case of need , will extend the no predatory actions in CFC thing over there , too .
     

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    r16, til that there are 100 million turks. I suppose not including the 20 million kurds, so your population is 120 million. That is a lot of people to be dancing around the red apple tree, though at least 40 million will not :jesus:
    Though that is hardly the main issue with your wall of text there, which - tbf - did include some notable points, particularly about the strange fate of those involved in the 1996 thing.

    But we are off-topic, so we will just have to wait for the real fireworks to happen.
     
  16. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    I do tip delivery drivers. How about making the US a real country? Right now there are still many states in the US where there's no minimum legal age to marry so you can marry a primary-schooler if you wish.
     
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    But I thought Islam was the backwards religion!?
     
  18. Takhisis

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    I've said it many times, give me any religious/holy book and I'll find a way to twist it to justify almost anything. And I say this as a religious person.
     
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    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    I feel the outrage. I just felt it weeks ago when I first saw it. It just falls through the cracks, since there are so many other outrages.

    And yet people will still vote for 'conservatives'.
     
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    That's fair. :(

    Also John Kelly just called the Dreamers who were too scared to sign up for DACA for fear of being targeted lazy.

    And the military parade really disgusts me on a level that few of his other acts have done. I'm not sure why but it really, really bugs me.

    Yeah you're right, so many outrages.:(
     
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