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CNN Settles Sandmann Defamation Suit

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by abradley, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. Commodore

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    Even if the students were acting the way you claim, that doesn't excuse anything Phillips, the Black Hebrews, or the media did. The simple fact remains the former are children, while the latter are all adults. Socially, adults are held to a much higher standard of behavior than children and rightfully so because adults are supposed to know better.

    It's like when my kids fight with each other. One is 8 and the other is 3. The older one almost always gets in more trouble than the younger one even if she isn't the one that started it because she is older and should be the more mature one and shouldn't be sinking to a toddler's level.
     
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  2. luiz

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    I also see that far-left outlets such as Mother Jones continue telling the version of the pathological liar Philips as the true narrative of events, and treating him as some elder statesman, despite his narrative being shown to completeoy false by video evidence and his long history of lying and making stuff up. This is essentially deliberately lying on the part of Mother Jones.

    It's always health to remember that the Trumpist far-right does not have the monopoly of fake news.
     
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  3. GenMarshall

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    It’s an old attage now a days when people se something or someone or an idea they disagree with. They immediately just label it racist without any evidence or story behind it aside from “I hate this guy’s opinions so I’m just going to call him a racist/Nazi/fascist and I refuse to have any meaningful dialogue with this person”.

    It’s already gotten to the point where calling someone a racist, Nazi, or a fascist, or any other terms the left uses has lost any meaning anymore other than a term used for “I disagree with you strongly”. I guess no one has gotten the memo from a boy who cried wolf story.
     
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  4. Estebonrober

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    muss because I don’t expect much from strangers behaviors but if I trusted my kids to you I expect good behavior.
     
  5. TheMeInTeam

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    That's debatable, considering how it's been for their business. They get to complain about the orange man, he gets to fling twitter insults at them. When it comes time to put up, he'll look the other way on this kind of stuff when it comes to actually doing anything about it.

    Neither side trusting the other is perhaps the most reasonable thing in this entire exchange. They are after all both proven liars, and they both know it.
     
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  6. Estebonrober

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    since it’s unlikely you would listen as to why the hat symbolizes racism in America then it is unlikely for you to care why so many see wearing it as a racist act.

    no one has a monopoly on lying the right just tries to do it with about basic reality.

    climate change isn’t happening
    Caging children isn’t a humanitarian disaster
    Evolution is “just” a theory
    Blacks in America don’t have reason to complain
    Markets are always rational.


    I could go on and on and on.
     
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  7. TheMeInTeam

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    I'd actually be okay with someone who is getting screamed at/having other loud noises made very close their face despite them asking the other party to stop to be able to legally punch the person doing it in the face. That's not how the law is now though, I'm pretty sure that'd get a person in trouble. Maybe the person could start running, and if they get chased turn and deliver a greeting then (chasing someone is grounds for credible threat). Probably not worth risking legal trouble regardless.

    I've long wanted to see how belligerent "protesters" that yell in people's ears as they're passing by would react if the person they're targeting just pulled out an air horn, held it to their ear, and activated it. After all, either close-proximity sound is harassment/assault or it isn't. If screaming isn't assault, neither would be the air horn, and the person receiving the air horn would similarly have no right to touch the person using it. I wonder if they'd stick to that though.
     
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  8. Gorbles

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    A good enough lawyer can convict an innocent person, or keep a guilty person out of jail. This isn't a compelling argument.
     
  9. TheMeInTeam

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    There must be some point at which getting into someone's personal space and making noise would reach the burden of assault. Where would you draw that line though? How close, and how much noise is required?
     
  10. Berzerker

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    You think the kid was the aggressor? All he did was stand there and smile, he didn't walk up to the Indian and bang a drum next to his face for 3-5 minutes.

    Black Hebrew Israelites shout racist insults at people and Nathan Phillips walks up to some kid instead because he's white and you think the poor kid (not poor now) is the racist? The racism came from Phillips and the racists he walked right by to go harass a teenager who didn't do anything. Because, you know, he was white. Then he lied about it too and blamed the kid. Why do you keep citing what other people allegedly did? They aint got nothing to do with it, just Phillips and Sandmann.

    If that was true they wouldn't have stood there while some guy banged a drum next to the head of their classmate.

    How will the media learn if their victims keep letting them get away with it? Is this your position when other corporations wrong people? The victims should just let it blow over? This lawsuit serves a national and ethical/moral purpose.

    I think it was a chaperone who gave the kids permission to do their school song to drown out the BHI insults.

    If no hats were involved, same skin color, no tribes, no 'us & them', just 2 people - Phillips and Sandmann - would anyone blame the kid other than Phillips? How would they feel about Phillips if that was their kid?

    Hmm... I wonder if that kid was wearing a MAGA hat. I suppose it doesn't matter, he was at the very least MAGA-attached. What do you think, @Cloud_Strife ? The only evidence we have of gay bashing came from the 3-4 black guys Phillips ignored and the person defending the humanity of gays was either wearing a MAGA hat or standing next to others who were.

    It aint about right and wrong, its just politics :( If there was any doubt about that, just swap the main players around and see who changes their minds.

    Phillips said he looked down as he was walking and when he looked up Sandmann was blocking his path and he couldn't turn around - that was BS too. So naturally anyone in that position would walk up to the kid and start banging a drum right next to their face out of fear.

    It aint racist when Democrats say it
     
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  11. Estebonrober

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    this is a whole lot of quoting with a whole lot of changing my actual position on the topic or not watching the videos I linked.

    I take exception to the idea that these kids were just minding their own business. They clearly were not and I’ve demonstrated that.
     
  12. Narz

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    Has anyone in this thread actually met any Black Hebrew Israelites? They were big in NYC back in the day (big in terms of making noise on street corners & looking like maniacs), their level of intellect is below that of even Scientologists and racism is pretty much baked into their religion.
     
  13. luiz

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    You don't expect the media to seek the truth? To not accuse your kids of stuff they didn't do without basic fact checking? With not taking the word of a known pathological liar as the absolute truth without trying to find any supporting evidence?

    I don't expect much from the media, but you have depressingly low standards.
     
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  14. luiz

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    They were in a rally and they were hostilized by multiple groups with extremely offensive language and even clear provication. All in all they behaved alright for kids in such situation.
     
  15. luiz

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    Well that's a sub-sect of the right. Or some subsects.
    If you wanna talk about subsects of the left spreading lies, we'd be here all day. Just think of all the lies deliberately spread by Soviet sympathizers over the decades... If Moscow told them to claim the sky is red, they would. Just like they claimed for decades that it was not the soviets who murdered the Poles in Katyn, or that the thousands of officers Stalin had shot were all traitors...
     
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  16. Berzerker

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    Do you have evidence Sandmann was chasing women around shouting at them?

    I think they were largely responsible for the recent attacks on Jews in the NYC area

    edit: I dont know if the attackers were members
     
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  17. Estebonrober

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    Not over this. This was all outrage porn that played out perfectly for every stupid side covering it.

    I expect more in the March to war with Iran and I don’t get it there either. So you holier than thou concept of the press is juvenile anyways.
     
  18. Estebonrober

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    i have higher standards for my children tyvm.
     
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    Im not going to argue with this I’m not old enough to know.
     
  20. Estebonrober

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    kids in his group did and I’m speaking about the group as a whole. Their behavior was not acceptable.
    The black Israelite movement is awful. Yes they were involved in attack son Jews recently.
     

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