CNN Settles Sandmann Defamation Suit

[Cloud_Strife]

I still don't understand cloud's stance on this. Are you defending CNN's actions and saying they shouldn't have settled? So far all the comments are just Maga hats = trump supporters = automatic racists but I still haven't heard a conclusion on the case.

I'm telling you as a minority I find "Maga" and anything to do with it to be an implicit threat, as do many other communities.

Wearing a maga hat isn't a guarantee that someone is a racist, but at the very least it's indicative that they're willing to tolerate certain degrees of racism, flagrant or otherwise.

If I see someone wearing a shirt with the words "1488" I'm going to believe that they don't exactly have the best interests of minorities in mind, same with the magahat

 

[abradley]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy....n-catholic-maga-students-harassing-woman/amp/

If they committed a crime then charge them.

 

[civvver]

I'm telling you as a minority I find "Maga" and anything to do with it to be an implicit threat, as do many other communities.

Wearing a maga hat isn't a guarantee that someone is a racist, but at the very least it's indicative that they're willing to tolerate certain degrees of racism, flagrant or otherwise.

If I see someone wearing a shirt with the words "1488" I'm going to believe that they don't exactly have the best interests of minorities in mind, same with the magahat

That's still your opinion on the students. What do you think about the media's behavior? That's what I was wondering.

 

[Estebonrober]

Indeed. The Black Hebrew israelites are adults, Philips and his group of liers are adults, those in charge of CNN and WaPo and the people suggesting the kids should be thrown on woodchippers are adults. Sandamm and his colleagues are not adults, and yet they came out of this whole mess behaving far better than all of the above. But they were still the ones chosen by the SJWs as targets for their Two Minutes of Hate at the time.

I'll repeat myself, this puritanical hysteria is the main guilty party here.

They are all guilty. The crazies and the parents chaperoning these kids.

If they committed a crime then charge them.

I didn’t say they committed a crime. I said they were behaving terribly and showed they were doing it all day. Did the black Israelites behave well? Nope. Did the Indian guy behave well? Not really he probably should have left well enough alone. Did the media behave well? No both sides were guilty of the outrage porn this nation feeds on these days. Did this kids particular parents behave well? No they sued over something that if they left well enough alone would blow over in a few weeks. Instead they’ve literally dragged out their suffering for money they didn’t need.
I’m curious what the settlement was exactly.

 

[rah]

Yeah, if anyone finds what the settlement was, it would be an interesting fact to know.

 

[luiz]

They are all guilty. The crazies and the parents chaperoning these kids.

To much different degrees. The chaperones are guilty of letting the kids stay in a situation that wpkld certainly play out against them (as the media and SJW lynch mobs would always consider them the aggressors regardless of facts). Philips and his group, the Black racists and the media are all guilty to a far, far greater degree.

What is amazing is that the media has still not backed down from treating the pathological liar Philips as some sort of enlightened holy man. Which goes to show how despicable they are.

I didn’t say they committed a crime. I said they were behaving terribly and showed they were doing it all day. Did the black Israelites behave well? Nope. Did the Indian guy behave well? Not really he probably should have left well enough alone. Did the media behave well? No both sides were guilty of the outrage porn this nation feeds on these days. Did this kids particular parents behave well? No they sued over something that if they left well enough alone would blow over in a few weeks. Instead they’ve literally dragged out their suffering for money they didn’t need.
I’m curious what the settlement was exactly.

So if your kids receive death threats and had their names and faces exposed to abuse by the mass media and angry mobs and lies spread about them you'd just let it blow over? Sorry, this is a ridiculous position. They were damn right to sue the scumbags at CNN, WaPo and etc, and also other opportunistic douches like Elizabeth Warren who jumped in with the mob without knowing the facts.

 

[Commodore]

He became a hero for the right so I would not rule in his favor as a jurist

This is why you would likely not be selected to serve on a jury. At least if you were honest and revealed this sentiment during jury selection. Jurists are supposed to make decisions based solely on the facts of the case, not on their personal politics.

Why were there videos of Sandman's group running around taunting Trump protesters

Umm, there weren't. I saw videos of them being harassed by Phillips, and having racial slurs and explitives yelled at them by a bunch of black protestors. But I'm guessing CNN didn't show you that, did they?

I didn’t say they committed a crime

But Phillips committed some crimes. Technically him approaching Sandmann and beating that drum and chanting directly in his face could constitute harassment and possibly assault. Given that it was a tense political climate as well, you could probably slap him with attempting to incite a riot and disorderly conduct as well.

So if your kids receive death threats and had their names and faces exposed to abuse by the mass media and angry mobs and lies spread about them you'd just let it blow over? Sorry, this is a ridiculous position

He knows it's a ridiculous position. He doesn't care though because he has made it clear with his jurist comment that he doesn't believe people he disagrees with deserve to be treated fairly or equally under the law.

 

[Gorbles]

Sounds like you're attempting to come across as morally superior.
Kidding aside, I find the hat insulting but I can't assign motive with 100% surety.

And political catch phrases VERY similar to MAGA have been used by politicians for a long time. Just because trump uses it, is the reason that democrats assign a negative vibe to it. If Obama had used it, it would have been viewed by the left as a sacred mantra. Don't kid yourselves.

It's not the phrase itself that is racist, it's a good number of the people chanting it. Please let's keep that straight.

Of course phrases like "MAGA" have been used for a good long while. That's not a defense though, and you can be critical of the ideal before Trump, and from Trump's election onwards.

I honestly don't think you talk to many leftists. Obama wasn't "leftist" except by the vaguaries of American politics, and even then Sanders and Warren have shown him up at least so far. Maybe that's your justification - that the "left" would treat it as a mantra - but it sure ain't mine. Count this leftist out of that particular generalisation, at least

and then provoked by this Indian pathological liar

Sure. Just posting what happened, right.

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But Phillips committed some crimes. Technically him approaching Sandmann and beating that drum and chanting directly in his face could constitute harassment and possibly assault.

This is, factually, the longest reach of the word "assault" I've ever seen. Why spend this much effort trying to justify violent behaviour from the Native American, and so much effort defending the perspective of the white teenager?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

That's still your opinion on the students. What do you think about the media's behavior? That's what I was wondering.

The media pretty much has a free reign to do as it likes.

All you have to do is look at how it routinely portrays certain groups of people to see that it is rarely held to any sort of scrutiny or accountability.

 

[rah]

I honestly don't think you talk to many leftists. Obama wasn't "leftist" except by the vaguaries of American politics, and even then Sanders and Warren have shown him up at least so far. Maybe that's your justification - that the "left" would treat it as a mantra - but it sure ain't mine. Count this leftist out of that particular generalisation, at least

Forgive me, I'm used to being considered so far right here that almost everyone else is a leftist compared to me.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Obama was center right, at best

 

[rah]

Which is why I ended up liking him. The only reason I didn't like him at first was his outsider claim when he was nothing more than any other Chicago politicians. And at least he has dignity, something sorely missed these days.

 

[Farm Boy]

This is, factually, the longest reach of the word "assault" I've ever seen. Why spend this much effort trying to justify violent behaviour from the Native American, and so much effort defending the perspective of the white teenager?

Assault under common law is a tort, not a crime. To place in imminent fear of harmful or offensive contact. Reasonable person standard, typically.

But yes, the gospel of identity is a pretty good indicator of why few people are going to square up against an old man of a dying minority, horrendously treated, dressed in ostensible full cultural glory. He'd probably have to do more than mere assault/fraud. Not that many so sensitive would be at all motivated to donate time or treasure, but that's because it's a self-interest sensitivity, not an empathic one.

 

[Commodore]

This is, factually, the longest reach of the word "assault" I've ever seen

You need to watch some LegalEagle then. A good enough lawyer could certainly hem him up on assault charges for what he did.

 

[Farm Boy]

Charges. Tort or criminal?

 

[Estebonrober]

So if your kids receive death threats and had their names and faces exposed to abuse by the mass media and angry mobs and lies spread about them you'd just let it blow over? Sorry, this is a ridiculous position. They were damn right to sue the scumbags at CNN, WaPo and etc, and also other opportunistic douches like Elizabeth Warren who jumped in with the mob without knowing the facts.

I would be outraged by the chaperones letting this take place. They should have had the kids stand down and they should have disciplined them before this for acting out generally. There is no way they were ignorant of the way these boys were behaving that day.

 

[Commodore]

Charges. Tort or criminal?

I don't know. Do I look like a lawyer to you?

 

[Farm Boy]

<squints sideways> Don't test me, bureaucrat.

 

[Estebonrober]

This is why you would likely not be selected to serve on a jury. At least if you were honest and revealed this sentiment during jury selection. Jurists are supposed to make decisions based solely on the facts of the case, not on their personal politics.



Umm, there weren't. I saw videos of them being harassed by Phillips, and having racial slurs and explitives yelled at them by a bunch of black protestors. But I'm guessing CNN didn't show you that, did they?




But Phillips committed some crimes. Technically him approaching Sandmann and beating that drum and chanting directly in his face could constitute harassment and possibly assault. Given that it was a tense political climate as well, you could probably slap him with attempting to incite a riot and disorderly conduct as well.



He knows it's a ridiculous position. He doesn't care though because he has made it clear with his jurist comment that he doesn't believe people he disagrees with deserve to be treated fairly or equally under the law.

you should click on my links more and also not misrepresent my position. First everything u said that the kids did is on video in the links I’ve shared through out this debate. Second I’m not defending the black israelistea actions or Phillips. I’m not even really defending the media’s outrage porn that was done on this. I am saying I don’t think it was defamation and certainly not enough to reward it.

 

[luiz]

I would be outraged by the chaperones letting this take place. They should have had the kids stand down and they should have disciplined them before this for acting out generally. There is no way they were ignorant of the way these boys were behaving that day.

Sure, but not outraged of the media lying about what happened and portraying your kid as a racist aggressor? About mobs making death threats? About politicians and celebrities joining the digital lynching without knowing half the story?

Given all this, your biggest problem is with the chaperones? Really? Not CNN, which explicitly lied about your kid, destroying his reputation and putting his life in danger? You're fine with that?