Coalition Seeks Immunity In Iraq

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The coalition in Iraq wants its troops to remain immune from prosecution by Iraqis after the handover of power.
BBC correspondent Jonathan Beale says UK and US forces want to remain under their own jurisdictions, even after the creation of a sovereign Iraq.

The Foreign Office said the status of multinational forces after 30 June is under discussion and will be covered in a new United Nations resolution.

Meanwhile a leaked memo suggests strong UK criticism of US tactics.

A Foreign Office memo to ministers and leaked to the Sunday Times shows there are deep concerns within the British government.

It says the UK is struggling to convince US troops to adopt a more tactful approach in dealing with Iraqis.

The memo says "heavy-handed" US tactics have fuelled opposition in Iraq and the treatment of Abu Ghraib prisoners has sapped the coalition's moral authority.

Agreement on the resolution governing the return of Iraqi sovereignty, set for 30 June, needs to be reached in the next few weeks.

One of the biggest sticking points is the issue of whose laws the remaining foreign troops will be subject to - their own or Iraqi laws.

Giving them immunity is likely to be controversial after allegations of abuse by troops of Iraqis.

But, our correspondent reports, British and American governments want guarantees soldiers will remain under their own laws.

Under an order signed by the Coalition Provisional Authority, known as Order 17, coalition forces have immunity from prosecution.

Negotiators are seeking to prolong that arrangement after the transfer of power to a sovereign Iraq.

Former British army commander Colonel Bob Stewart said troops were not seeking immunity because they would continue to face court martials under international law or by national authorities.

"This is the normal way foreign forces are covered legally in a different country, because the law in Iraq is likely to be different from in the UK," he said.

This meant soldiers would not face severe penalties, such as the death penalty, for crimes considered more minor in their home state, he said.

But he criticised the "light" sentences for US soldiers who had already been found guilty at a court martial.

Many believe Iraqis should have the right to seek redress in their own courts or the sovereignty of the new state would be undermined.

A Foreign Office spokesman said the legal status of multinational forces after handover would be discussed by the military and the new interim government and covered in a new UN resolution.

The news has emerged as the Independent on Sunday reveals more claims of prisoner abuse allegedly carried out by members of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment.

It reports that the High Court is to consider claims the regiment carried out the "systematic torture of Iraqi civilians under the direction of an officer".

Five Iraqis said to have been arrested along with Baha Mousa, who died in British custody, have given detailed witness statements to the newspaper about their alleged ordeal.

These claims follow a string of allegations of abuse against Iraqis and the release of a series of graphic images of prisoners being humiliated and tortured by US forces.


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people that think bringing democracy to iraq will end all of americas problems with iraq must be very misinformed,people that assume that also assume that iraqis like america and americans

after the iran-iraq war saddam was surprised to find out america sold arms to both sides,which i found funny,what did he think?
that uncle sam had a crush in him and would help him destroy his enemys because of his good looks? i hope they kill that moron soon

after the kuwait war the sanctions have caused the death of close to 1 million iraqis according to the red cross,and as we all know lack of medicin and food hurts the week most,the children and the old people

this latest war killed over 20,000 iraqi soldiers,that were mostly draftees=poor bastards that happen to be of the wrong sex(male) and the wrong age

and somewhere between 5,00-10,000 civilians(and colon powell wanted to know why there isnt more of an arab outrage for the killing of nick berg, 1 civilian!)
god knows how many iraqi civvies have died after the "end" of the war

then we get the abu ghraib thing,how dumb would you have to be to put some uneducated redneck trailerpark trash from KKK country in full control of some poor "sand-(N word here)s" and not keep an eye on them?
or even dumber,order them to do stuff to the prisoners,what good could possibly come from that?

not to mention use of tons and tons of depeleted uranium in weapons that are now part of iraqi ecology,us backing of israel etc

now if you where an iraqi and had to vote for one of two candidates who would you pick the us friendly one or the anti us one?

take a wild guess which one they will pick if they ever get a truly democratic government and elections!
 
Fortunately, there will be no actual Iraqi government coherent enough to actually do something such as enforce laws or make prosecutions after the "transfer of power".
 
Jawz II said:
people that think bringing democracy to iraq will end all of americas problems with iraq must be very misinformed,people that assume that also assume that iraqis like america and americans

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Yep, I have same kind of thoughts about this occupation.

Everybody, let's try to guess how long it will take for the Iraqi puppet government to collapse after the coalition leaves! :) (Let's assume it doesn't collapse before the coalition leaves :mischief: )
 
Uh, what about the UN? Aren't they going to be scrutinising the new "government"?

If this whole venture falls apart like a soggy biscuit then the US and UK will not be trusted by their peers in the international community. The stakes are high.
 
The common people of Iraq will soon find out just how little reason they had to hate the US. Honestly, I hope it doesn't happen, but it is unlikely whatever government replaces American government there will actually have the best interests of the Iraqi people at heart. Not to say the is the sole endeavor of the US government there, but...well...we will see...
 
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