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CoL Amendment-Impeaching Governors

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game: Citizens' started by greekguy, Dec 31, 2005.

  1. greekguy

    greekguy Missed the Boat

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    I would like to propose an amendment to our soon to be ratified Code of Laws. This amendment would make it possible to impeach governors, as the current CoL allows Governors to stay in office, with no possibility of impeachment. Now I'm not very good at wording 'official' laws, if someone else could do it, that would be fine...or we could just copy Section 7B of the Code of Laws, and replace the words "cabinet official" with "Governor".
     
  2. Alphawolf

    Alphawolf Basileus, Founding Father

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    Here's a version you could use (It's a copy of Sub-Section B ;)):

    -the Wolf
     
  3. greekguy

    greekguy Missed the Boat

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    That would work perfectly Alphawolf! Now we just need discussing for a while, and once the Term 1 Judiciary is up, I'll submit the amendment for polling.
     
  4. Donovan Zoi

    Donovan Zoi The Return

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    Thanks for opening the floor for this amendment, greekguy. I too thought it was a bit odd that governors could not be removed.

    I think that Alphawolf's draft will do just fine.
     
  5. Octavian X

    Octavian X is not a pipe.

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    I wonder - while we're at it, can we change references of 'impeachment' to 'recall?' That's the term used in the Constition for the relevant procedure. It would (hopefully) reduce some potential confusion.
     
  6. greekguy

    greekguy Missed the Boat

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    Alright, the Judiciary is now open for business, so now i just need to post a pretend poll in this thread and have it up for 24 hours, and then the Judiciary can review the proposed amendment. So here is the pretend poll:

    Do you accept this amendment?

    Choices are Yes/No/Abstain

    Current Text:

    Proposed Amendment:
    Link to Discussion Thread
     
  7. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    There is no indication in the proposed poll about the length of time the poll will remain open. There is also no indication of what is needed for the poll to *pass*. Rather than asking Do you accept this amendment? I think the question should clearly state that this is a ratification poll for an amndment to the code of laws. I also suggest the body of the poll include information regarding whether this is a citizen initiative, an official referendum or an opinion poll.
     
  8. Bengeance

    Bengeance Civ Retributioner

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    How about this poll question.

    This citizen initiative poll is for the purpose of ratifying an amendment to the Code of Laws allowing the impeachement of Govenors. This poll will run for 4 days beginning with the posting of this poll. For this amendment to pass this poll will require a 6/10 majority of the votes cast.

    Do you approve this amendment for impeaching Govenors?

     
  9. Swissempire

    Swissempire Poet Jester

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    I think the percentage of yes vote needed to impeach a gov'na should be higher but other than that i agree. 51% may be to low, because with the growing political parties and the fact the some are very large and attempt to extract complete control on there members, then an overachious party official may choose to take another parties gov'na out of office. I beleive it should be 60%, because then a major majority of the population must agree that said gov'na is bad!
     
  10. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    I agree with Swissempire on this.

    As far as the new proposed poll is concerned, I think it is an improvement over the first one.
     
  11. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    As a citizen I recommend changing the threshold to 60%. Procedurally this suggestion needs to either be accepted and the mock poll updated, or rejected and backed up by overwhelming support for a simple majority, or a poll of some kind.

    As CJ I note that the JR for this amendment cannot complete until the question of percentage has been resolved.
     
  12. greekguy

    greekguy Missed the Boat

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    alright i'll change the percent to 60%. here's the new proposed poll:

    Do you approve this amendment for impeaching Govenors?


    This is an official referendum, and the results will have an impact on our laws. This poll will remain open for 4 days. Choices are Yes/No/Abstain

    Link to Discussion Thread
     
  13. Bengeance

    Bengeance Civ Retributioner

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    How about this poll question.

    This citizen initiative poll is for the purpose of ratifying an amendment to the Code of Laws allowing the impeachement of Govenors. This poll will run for 4 days beginning with the posting of this poll. For this amendment to pass this poll will require a 6/10 majority of the votes cast.

    Do you approve this amendment for impeaching Govenors?

     
  14. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    That poll format looks familiar, thanks Bengeance!

    This is not a Judicial opinion, but posting as a citizen explaining how the "no comments in 24 hours rule" works:

    The 24 hour clock will be from the first post that suggested a change in substance, which is Swissempire's post of Jan 12th suggesting 60% as the vote requirement to impeach. The 24 hour period has passed. If there had been debate between a majority and 60% then the 24 hour period would reset to the last post of the debate.
     
  15. Bengeance

    Bengeance Civ Retributioner

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    Glad to help. Greekguy definitely had a good idea with this one.
     

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