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Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall: Europe' started by AbsintheRed, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

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    Currently I have no plans for the Nizari, while the Karimi Family have a good chance.
    This is based on earlier conversations, and on the few info I grabbed about them on wikipedia.
    But I'm open to further suggestion about all potential companies related to the Islam, I do not know too much about any of them.
    They have a chance to spread there. It's much lower than for Catholic civs/cities.
    I'm not entirely sure about this myself if I want to leave it this way on the long term.
     
  2. The Turk

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    I'll think about this. But having Sufis would be good as well, specifically in North Africa where they were very powerful.

    But why would they though? Catholic Military Orders would not be accepted into an Orthodox state, it just doesn't make much sense.
     
  3. DC123456789

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    I agree, it doesn't make much sense for the Catholic Holy Orders to spread into Orthodox civs. At best, they wouldn't be automatically removed on conquest.
     
  4. Force44

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    I'm not convinced it was impossible for Catholic Holy Orders to spread into Orthodox civs (iirc (at least) one of them made a heroic last stand when Constantinople fell to the Ottomans)
    Byzantium asked Catholic (/Christian) Europe for help against the Arabs, which initiated the crusades.

    But what I really like is the gameplay. Byzantium should be able to compete for the Orders if only to not make their acquirement too easy for the human player.
     
  5. The Turk

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    You are talking about the Genoans (a captain called Romulus or something weird like that), and that is because they wanted to protect their trading privileges. Nothing to do with a militarized Catholic order.

    Not Arabs, this was after the 1071 Battle of Manzikert. After which Turkmen flooded into Anatolia, and were camped just miles away from Constantinople, dominating Anatolia. The Arabs never managed/wanted to settle down in Anatolia, except in attempts to try and conquer Constantinople. Anyway, what the Emperor Alexios received was not what he wanted from the Pope; he just wanted some knights, not an entire army led by Kings and Dukes (and some crazy preachers...). But the idea that you would have a militarized order in a Byzantine city sounds very strange.

    But why would they want Orders, they have their own military. And why would Catholics serve a liege who does not serve the Pope. We are talking about post-1054 Schism here.
     
  6. TheMulattoMaker

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    Question about Malta and the Hospitallers. I'm playing as France and conquered indy Palermo. Then I settled Syracuse, but in the extreme southeast corner of Sicily (I think it's 1S of where indy Syracuse normally spawns). So Malta is in Syracuse's BFC, and I don't plan to settle it. Since the entire province of Malta is in my culture, would the Knights Hospitaller "relocate" from Malta to Syracuse? Or am I just out of luck?
     
  7. El Bogus

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    If you have enough enough of the required ressources chances are high that you get your Hospitallers.
     
  8. TheMulattoMaker

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    I guess I'm asking if Syracuse will be a "probably, if you're lucky" sorta thing, or an "almost definitely because of Malta" sorta thing. Like Malta and Rhodes are almost guaranteed to get KH, I'm wondering if that carries over to Sicily if there's no city on Malta.
     
  9. The Turk

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    Malta was chosen, because like Rhodes, it was at the intersection of naval trade in the Mediterranean, and was easy for the Knights to defend and use as a pirate base against Muslim (and Greek - Orthodox) shipping and civilian craft. More importantly, the Knights had Malta, because they were ejected by the Ottomans from Rhodes. There was nothing inevitable about it, so I'm confused why you would think that Syracuse would 'have' to be chosen instead.
     
  10. AbsintheRed

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    Syracuse doesn't have improved chance if there is no company on Malta. Only indirectly, because it has one less potential city it has to compete with.
    Sicilian cities does have a fair chance for Knights Hospitallers though, so if there are no better options for it, it will spread eventually.
    As El Bogus said, you can increase that base chance with many things: resources, buildings, faith points, etc.
     
  11. TheMulattoMaker

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    That makes sense, thanks.
    I was talking more about the way it spreads in-game:
     
  12. El Bogus

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    I suggest to increase the amount of cities with companies. They can be capped for each civ but if just one civ has the specific company in their cities, the game becomes less ... colorful. Mostly the human player can concentrate the region's company in his cities. It's not necessary to take that away from him but buffing his opponents by enabling more companies for them would be a good thing imo.
    Also, most companies are very powerful. Nerfing them a little - either by the bonus per ressource or by capping the bonus - wouldn't hurt.
     

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