Confuse-Us?

[EastDevil]

That guy do not deserve to be a great leader of the Chinese. He is just plain famous because he talks alot but his concepts brought the Chinese civilisation backwards.

Qin Shih-Huang, Han Wu-Di or Tang Tai-Chung will be better choices since they are the ones that have some of the biggest achievements.

 

[slothman]

That could be true - I haven't studied up on my ancient Chinese history. Unfortunatly the problem is "who are they?" I don't know them and I bet others haven't either.

 

[EastDevil]

Qin Shih-Huang is caled the First Emperor who built the Great Wall and stuff that caused thousands of lives. But the main thing is, he united the country, unified the society/economy/etc.

Han Wu-Di is a brilliant strategist emperor of the Han Dynasty that is very crafty and outwitted his rival(s).

Tang Tai-Chung built one of the largest dynasty - Tang Dynasty (Although the Han Dynasty is reputedly larger geographically). However, during the Tang Dynasty, culture and properity is at a high especially literature.

 

[sealman]

I agree with you EastDevil. I do not know my Chinese History and could not debate who should be there, but I know that is should not be Mao.

I think Firaxis went with Mao because he is more well known amongst those that will be playing the game. If you come up with some pictures for one of the other leafers, I am sure a modder her might be able to help you put it into the game, if you do not know how. Post a request over in the Custom section.

But Mao is better than Joan of Arc for France. At least Mao did lead the country.

 

[erix]

I think so too. Firaxis uses the names that are known better. I didn't ever heard (did i spell it right?) the leaders mentioned on the first post but "Mao".
If they sell the game worldwide they should use some popular names than more deserved ones.

 

[konigstiger]

I'd vote for Han Wudi for the chinese.

This is off-topic but I got the notion that the way tokugawa is depicted in the game is more like oda nobunaga. Tokugawa is the most patient among the three conquerors of Japan, I think he should have cleaner look.

 

[€ønqui$tadør]

Confucius was never a leader. he was just a philosopher of the Zhou Dynasty. but then, his philosophies had shaped Chinese society profoundly; his concepts did not bring China backwards. China became an advanced civilization before it became backwards. if was the Chinese' failure to change and adapt that somewhat brought about its failure. not exactly a direct cause-and-effect.

i'm not sure about Qin. Qin Shi-Huang was somewhat like Mao, who unified the country but brought great suffering to people. at least he set the foundation for a prosperous China under Han Dynasty.

yah i would agree Han Wudi and Tang Taizong are better choices. Emperor Qianlong, too, deserves to be represented. but comes the problem: he's a Manchu.

what about Gandhi then? perhaps he is in the same position as Joan as well. i think another good choice for India would be Asoka.

i am puzzled why Montezuma was chosen for Aztecs. i thought i read somewhere he wasn't a very good ruler. again, maybe because he was more well-known.

 

[Ouchgeddon]

It's just my preference, but I would rather be given a choice of rulers per civ, as oppossed to slightly animated faces. So you can choose Washington or Dubya istead of Abe.