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[Flying Pig]

Even for judging actions, I would say that the Christian thing to do would be to pipe down and get on with doing your job, which as a Christian is trying to make the world a better place for your fellow man. If you don't agree with how somebody else lives - so what? They're human; treat them as you would any other person and leave the judging to God. That way, people will know that you are a Christian by your actions and think favourably of the religion, rather than seeing you walking around judging people and thinking that Christianity just turns people into high-and-mighty so-and-sos.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Not to mention forgiving those who trespass against you.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I've said it a lot on this particular subject. There is a difference in judging someones soul and judging their actions.

That's a valid point, although sometimes we can guess. The Bible says "We will know them by their fruit." We can't say "This person is certainly going to Hell" but we can certainly say that they do not act like someone who is on the narrow way.

To give an extreme version, was Hitler really a Christian? Occasionally the highly unlikely possibility of a deathbed conversion is mentioned, but I mean, was he a Christian throughout his life as he killed six million people? Just ask James.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The vast majority of his followers certainly were.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

To give an extreme version, was Hitler really a Christian? Occasionally the highly unlikely possibility of a deathbed conversion is mentioned, but I mean, was he a Christian throughout his life as he killed six million people? Just ask James.

He was. Thanks for evoking Godwin's law unnecessarily.

 

[Ailedhoo]

That's a valid point, although sometimes we can guess. The Bible says "We will know them by their fruit." We can't say "This person is certainly going to Hell" but we can certainly say that they do not act like someone who is on the narrow way.

To give an extreme version, was Hitler really a Christian? Occasionally the highly unlikely possibility of a deathbed conversion is mentioned, but I mean, was he a Christian throughout his life as he killed six million people? Just ask James.

I call Godwin's law and "not true Scotlands" falacy. on the post.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I call Godwin's law and "not true Scotlands" falacy. on the post.

What's not true Scotlands?

 

[Ailedhoo]

What's not true Scotlands?

I mean "no true Scott."

I was... typing fast. Too fast.

Need... more... cups... of... tea...

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I mean "no true Scott."

I was... typing fast. Too fast.

Need... more... cups... of... tea...

It's ok...but I still don't get the reference.

 

[Ailedhoo]

No reference was made save to my obession with tea.

 

[AlpsStranger]

'No True Scotsman' is basically a trick to avoid blame for the actions of obviously evil people who share a philosophy or religion with you.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

No reference was made save to my obession with tea.

I meant I don't understand a no true scots fallacy!

'No True Scotsman' is basically a trick to avoid blame for the actions of obviously evil people who share a philosophy or religion with you.

Thank you!

 

[GhostWriter16]

I call Godwin's law and "not true Scotlands" falacy. on the post.

There's a difference between a Christian in contemporary usage, and a Christian in Biblical usage.

A Christian in contemporary usage means pretty much anyone who claims to worship Jesus Christ, regardless of whether they actually CARE about their faith or not. Even by that standard, Hitler's claim to be Christian is debatable considering the things he said about his supposedly own faith.

In Biblical usage a Christain means a "Follower of Jesus Christ"

Sometimes the meaning of a text is not always apparent. This one was for me, because when I first encountered it, I was involved with a series of debates with different counselors at a Bible college as to whether the meaning of "Christian" and "Disciple" are synonymous.

The Bible pretty much answers the question for me.

Acts 11:26

and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

That's it. Clear. The only Christians, Biblically speaking, are disciples.

Now, Jesus never uses the word "Christian." No wonder, it was synonymous with "Christ-follower." Jewish rabbis didn't talk like that. They had disciples, and they called their followers "Disciples." For whatever reason, later on, the word "Christian" came into use. Not everyone uses the word "Christian" the same way today. Catholics use the word "Christian" to describe anyone who was baptized in the Trinity, but they don't believe all of those people will actually be saved. Evangelicals, on the other hand, usually use "Christian" and "Saved" as synonymous terms. For people who have never used an Evangelical definition of the term "Christian" it may seem odd that we would say that Hitler wasn't a Christian. But to an Evangelical it makes perfect sense, since those who claim to be Christians, but do not live as his disciples, are liars.

 

[Ailedhoo]

There's a difference between a Christian in contemporary usage, and a Christian in Biblical usage.

A Christian in contemporary usage means pretty much anyone who claims to worship Jesus Christ, regardless of whether they actually CARE about their faith or not. Even by that standard, Hitler's claim to be Christian is debatable considering the things he said about his supposedly own faith.

In Biblical usage a Christain means a "Follower of Jesus Christ"

Sometimes the meaning of a text is not always apparent. This one was for me, because when I first encountered it, I was involved with a series of debates with different counselors at a Bible college as to whether the meaning of "Christian" and "Disciple" are synonymous.

The Bible pretty much answers the question for me.

Acts 11:26



That's it. Clear. The only Christians, Biblically speaking, are disciples.

Now, Jesus never uses the word "Christian." No wonder, it was synonymous with "Christ-follower." Jewish rabbis didn't talk like that. They had disciples, and they called their followers "Disciples." For whatever reason, later on, the word "Christian" came into use. Not everyone uses the word "Christian" the same way today. Catholics use the word "Christian" to describe anyone who was baptized in the Trinity, but they don't believe all of those people will actually be saved. Evangelicals, on the other hand, usually use "Christian" and "Saved" as synonymous terms. For people who have never used an Evangelical definition of the term "Christian" it may seem odd that we would say that Hitler wasn't a Christian. But to an Evangelical it makes perfect sense, since those who claim to be Christians, but do not live as his disciples, are liars.

Hitler was not a true Scott.

I am observing what people are claimed to. To say "thy is not a Christain because of..." is just a falacy.

And what makes you mark yourself as a Christain? Your fanatical ways could be mark that your not a true Christian. That is the level of no true Scottman: it is a denial tactic meant to swing away from a debate.

I also liked how only "Evangelical" definition is the main definition.

There are many sects of Christainity out there. Your narrowing them to one defition is... fanatical.

And I am looking at history, where many, many people classed as Christains commited stuff Jesus would not be happy about.

How are we to use classification o mighty Ghost?

A person may commit acts that betray the ideas of the founder for the founder.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

There's a difference between a Christian in contemporary usage, and a Christian in Biblical usage.

A Christian in contemporary usage means pretty much anyone who claims to worship Jesus Christ, regardless of whether they actually CARE about their faith or not. Even by that standard, Hitler's claim to be Christian is debatable considering the things he said about his supposedly own faith.

In Biblical usage a Christain means a "Follower of Jesus Christ"

Sometimes the meaning of a text is not always apparent. This one was for me, because when I first encountered it, I was involved with a series of debates with different counselors at a Bible college as to whether the meaning of "Christian" and "Disciple" are synonymous.

The Bible pretty much answers the question for me.

Acts 11:26



That's it. Clear. The only Christians, Biblically speaking, are disciples.

Now, Jesus never uses the word "Christian." No wonder, it was synonymous with "Christ-follower." Jewish rabbis didn't talk like that. They had disciples, and they called their followers "Disciples." For whatever reason, later on, the word "Christian" came into use. Not everyone uses the word "Christian" the same way today. Catholics use the word "Christian" to describe anyone who was baptized in the Trinity, but they don't believe all of those people will actually be saved. Evangelicals, on the other hand, usually use "Christian" and "Saved" as synonymous terms. For people who have never used an Evangelical definition of the term "Christian" it may seem odd that we would say that Hitler wasn't a Christian. But to an Evangelical it makes perfect sense, since those who claim to be Christians, but do not live as his disciples, are liars.

How did any of this refute Godwin's law or no true scots?

You have too much free time methinks

 

[woody60707]

The vast majority of his followers certainly were.

So are the vast majority of democratic. ... So Obama is a German plant! The brithers were kinda right, it just the whole Kenya thing was a smoke screen! His real brith place was... you know.

 

[Ailedhoo]

So are the vast majority of democratic. ...

Communists? Liberals? Conseratives? Capitalists? Theocrats? Atheists? Otters?

Democratic what?

Edit: YOU EDIT NINJA!

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Communists? Liberals? Conseratives? Capitalists? Theocrats? Atheists? Otters?

Democratic what?

Edit: YOU EDIT NINJA!

But the edit still doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Hitler was not a true Scott.

I am observing what people are claimed to. To say "thy is not a Christain because of..." is just a falacy.

And what makes you mark yourself as a Christain? Your fanatical ways could be mark that your not a true Christian. That is the level of no true Scottman: it is a denial tactic meant to swing away from a debate.

I also liked how only "Evangelical" definition is the main definition.

There are many sects of Christainity out there. Your narrowing them to one defition is... fanatical.

And I am looking at history, where many, many people classed as Christains commited stuff Jesus would not be happy about.

How are we to use classification o mighty Ghost?

A person may commit acts that betray the ideas of the founder for the founder.

A Christian is a follower of Christ. I explained why this is the only accurate Biblical definition.

A person who does not live in accordance with what Christ taught isn't really following him.

 

[JollyRoger]

So there are very few Christians then:

Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”