Congress Shackles Westboro Baptist Church

[caketastydelish]

American soldiers get lots of benefits and perks. Many collect "disability" when they get out of service while holding down a private sector job that is similar to their military job.

Even with that being taken into account, mercenaries are getting the far end of the better deal.

They can practically make a doctors salary without the expense or headache of medical school.

And of course, you are presuming that they will get a job that is "similar to their military job". Many don't, simply because they are sick of it, or because they want to do something else.

My grandfather for example, was air traffic control for the american military. He tried doing civilian air traffic control and he hated it so much he quit.

 

[kochman]

American soldiers get lots of benefits and perks. Many collect "disability" when they get out of service while holding down a private sector job that is similar to their military job.

If you could be vaguer and more general here it would really advance your point...

 

[JollyRoger]

@OS88 - Well, many that can't hack it in the private sector hide out in the public sector. Why should that be rewarded?

 

[caketastydelish]

@OS88 - Well, many that can't hack it in the private sector hide out in the public sector. Why should that be rewarded?

edit: never mind, I think I get it.

The discussion I'm making is strictly soldiers versus mercenaries, and that in terms of pay, soldiers are getting completely ripped off.

Therefore, it is a shame to see their funerals getting protested. That's the point I'm making.

If by "hide out in the public sector" you mean working in the military, ok, but they get paid very little for what they do. And yes, there are jobs outside of the military for these people.

Going back to my grandpa, he worked for IBM and Oscar Myer after military service. To the best of my knowledge, he was paid just as much.

The bottom line of my point is american service men are getting ripped off, so to see their funerals getting protest just makes it even worse.

 

[JollyRoger]

We have way too many American service men. The American taxpayer is getting ripped off for having to support the bloat.

 

[kochman]

We have way too many American service men. The American taxpayer is getting ripped off for having to support the bloat.

Well, tell Obama to stop playing World Police and bring the boys back home when you vote for him.

 

[caketastydelish]

We have way too many American service men. The American taxpayer is getting ripped off for having to support the bloat.

I would actually agree with you here, but the solution is to reduce the size of the military, rather than continuing to have thousands of troops in countries all over the world.

It's a lose/lose. the American taxpayer loses, and the soldiers in the military lose because they have a bad job.

 

[JollyRoger]

Better a bad job than no job.

 

[GhostWriter16]

We have way too many American service men. The American taxpayer is getting ripped off for having to support the bloat.

I think you can say that, also say that servicemen are underpaid, and not necessarily be inconsistent.

Of course, out of ignorance I can't say if OS88's claims about the military and how well, or not well, they are paid are true or not. Its not anything I know much about. Regardless, however, I have yet to see a good reason why restricting freedom of speech is a good solution.

 

[caketastydelish]

Better a bad job than no job.

I say no job is better than getting killed on the job, losing a limb on the job, or developing PTSD on the job.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I say no job is better than getting killed on the job, losing a limb on the job, or developing PTSD on the job.

How true.

Are you going to address the free speech issue though?

 

[JollyRoger]

I say no job is better than getting killed on the job, losing a limb on the job, or developing PTSD on the job.

Sleep apnea appears the bigger risk:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/06/military_sleepapnea_060710w/

 

[Old Hippy]

How true.

Are you going to address the free speech issue though?

well their free speech would be a lot more effective if they told people going into a recruitment office that they were going to hell... rather than telling the families who did not do anything.... unless its actually about THEIR vain behaviour seeking celebrity

Spoiler :

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

 

[GhostWriter16]

well their free speech would be a lot more effective if they told people going into a recruitment office that they were going to hell... rather than telling the families who did not do anything.... unless its actually about THEIR vain behaviour seeking celebrity

Spoiler :

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

I'm arguing "Free speech" in the legal sense of that they should not be punished for saying it. I'm not actually defending the idiotic speech we're discussing as moral or in line with anything the Bible teaches. Its not.

 

[Old Hippy]

I'm arguing "Free speech" in the legal sense of that they should not be punished for saying it. I'm not actually defending the idiotic speech we're discussing as moral or in line with anything the Bible teaches. Its not.

So your arguing for the right of pro gay marrige groups to be able to protest outside the church when you get married....
Would it not be better to argue the rights to privacey be updated... they would take nothing away from peoples right to free speech... just give people the right to marry and bury their dead kin folk in peace...

 

[GhostWriter16]

So your arguing for the right of pro gay marrige groups to be able to protest outside the church when you get married....
Would it not be better to argue the rights to privacey be updated... they would take nothing away from peoples right to free speech... just give people the right to marry and bury their dead kin folk in peace...

"Outside my church" would imply still on church grounds. That would be illegal since the church is not public property. That was the case I was referencing the castle doctrine in a somewhat joking way for (Although detest for the WBC was a big part of it). But on PUBLIC property you can protest however you like. That means you can preach damnation on gays in a gay pride parade on the street, but you can't do so in a liberal church where they are getting married against the wishes of the congregation. You can protest military funerals on public property, but not private. You can drive on public roads, but not private. Exc.

 

[utgotye]

It's an issue that is not easily dealt with. On one hand, most reasonable people would agree that protesting at servicemen's funerals or at Arlington is at best in bad taste. Having personally seen it at Arlington, on Memorial Day even, I can say it REALLY pisses me off. On the other, freedom of speech isn't only granted to reasonable people and it's really a shame that these people either don't appreciate or simply don't care that their right to spew their nonsense is, in part, because of the person whose funeral they are protesting and other like them. I'd like to see the media do us all a favor and completely ignore these attention whores.

 

[choxorn]

The media likes ratings. Stories like these attract lots of viewers, because people love to hate this sort of thing, so the media plays this sort of thing a lot to get more people watching them.

So yeah, the media won't ignore a good (for them, at least) story just because the people involved are attention whores.

 

[Rashiminos]

I think the word you're looking for is muzzle.