Conservative's Nanny State

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7905491.stm
Tories may 'ground' troublemakers



Chris Grayling: 'It doesn't criminalise them in the long term'

Young troublemakers could be confined to their homes, outside school hours, for a month under plans being unveiled by the Conservatives.
In his first major speech as shadow home secretary, Chris Grayling said those who break curfews "should expect to find themselves in the cells".
Police would apply for a court order to "ground" youths for up to a month.
He also said police should be able to take youngsters caught misbehaving to stations and call their parents.
The speech to the Local Government Association was his first major speech since becoming shadow home secretary in January's Tory reshuffle.
Persistent troublemakers
He said tough action was needed to stamp out anti-social behaviour and said 10-year-olds caught causing trouble should be "sent home to bed".
Should the Conservatives win power at the next general election, he said: "I will instruct our police to remove young troublemakers from our streets altogether, not just move them on to disrupt a different street."
Those caught doing "something stupid" should be able to be taken back to police stations and their parents called to come to pick them up.

If they break that curfew order they should expect to find themselves in the cells


Chris Grayling

"We're exploring the best way of making this possible but it's got to be the right thing in some cases," he said.
"I think our police need the power to ground a young persistent troublemaker - in the hope that we can stop them from getting so far into trouble that they end up in the criminal justice system."
"Our police should have powers to go straight to a magistrate and get an order against that troublemaker confining them to their homes for up to a month - except for during school hours. And if they break that curfew order they should expect to find themselves in the cells."
Mr Grayling also said there was a "strong case" to end the 24-hour licensing changes: "It has not created a continental cafe culture - it has just made things worse in many town and city centres."
He said that if the Conservatives won the next election and he was home secretary he would "stop the ridiculous system of cautions that has built up even for serious offences".
'Unacceptable'
More cautions were being used, he said, because "it means case closed - a tick in the box - a crime solved for the official figures to be sent to the Home Office".
There would also be a cut in paperwork police had to do: "If I'm home secretary, the police should expect to get much more freedom to do the job - but I want to make it absolutely clear to our police chiefs that I will expect them to deliver real improvements in return - and if they don't there'll be all hell to pay. "
Mr Grayling added: "The Conservatives are the party of law and order - law and order based on common sense, strong families and communities and a system which places the victim above the criminal.
"Labour has had eleven years and they have collectively failed - their musical chairs based system of home secretaries has left Britain a more dangerous, less civilised place to live in. They have been soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime."
On Sunday Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said it was "unacceptable" for parents not to know what their children did at night, after police in 27 council areas in England picked up and returned 120 youngsters late on Friday.
The police Operation Safeguard was aimed at stopping children becoming victims of, or being drawn into, crime. More than 1,000 young people were spoken to by Staysafe teams, and 103 were referred to other services, the Home Office says.

Have the Tories finally lost their grip on reality?
 
A bit of a convoluted solution to a difficult problem to solve. I don't have any better solutions, but this plan does seem a bit unrealistic.

Phlegmak, the shadow home secretary is the main opposition party's home sec. He basically criticises the actual home secretary and says what he would do if his party was in government.
 
I'm sure sending the kids to jail will solve their problems.
 
I don't blame them for being concerned about troublemakers, but this is an extreme example of authoritarian policy. It seems tremendously unfair to punish all youth for the actions of a few and then threaten overly harsh enforcement of such punishment (grounding should be the parent's perogative, perhaps small fines would be a more reasonably policy to enforce).
 
I agree, except I think a curfew should apply to all citizens. If you needed to work at night, you could apply for a license, the fees of which would go to hunting down illegal aliens, drug smugglers, etc. Crime would fall 70% instantly if such a policy were passed.
 
I agree, except I think a curfew should apply to all citizens. If you needed to work at night, you could apply for a license, the fees of which would go to hunting down illegal aliens, drug smugglers, etc. Crime would fall 70% instantly if such a policy were passed.

pretty sure that most people wouldn't stand for that, and thus crime would increase...
 
This is outrageous. Hooligans have a right to get rowdy on public streets and harrass local citizens. If those citizens don't like it, too bad. If they interfere then send them to jail. Thats the true British way.
 
I heard that banning hoodies will solve all of England's problems.

Nope. The key is to only ban them when icorrectly worn, ie. with the hood up.
 
This is yet another reason why the United Kingdom sucks.
 
Maybe I missed something, but cursory reading actually reveals this to be somewhat laudable. Maybe I just have something against punks and troublemakers.
 
Its quite a good plan actually. A town in my county has been operating a strict curfew for youths as an experiment, and the number of complaints of antisocial behaviour has dropped significantly. Its been such a success that there have been requests by people in my town to have the curfew here too, as we've had plenty of problems with youths.

I think the short spell in jail is there to spook parents into actually giving a damn about where their kids are, rather than punish the kids. It shouldn't come to that if the curfew is obeyed, and that's the parent's responsibility. Citizens, especially taxpayers, have every right to a safe and pleasant living environment, and if that means some young dipstick has to go to bed early instead of getting drunk and breaking people's windscreens, then so be it.

Edit: The parents should get jail time too if they don't control their kids.
 
"Mr Grayling added: "The Conservatives are the party of law and order - law and order based on common sense, strong families and communities and a system which places the victim above the criminal. "

Doesn't he realize that "Conservatives" and "Common Sense" cannot possibly be used in the same sentence?
 
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