Here is the poll which is so badly needed. The choices are: 5CC -- limit ourselves to exactly 5 cities 5BC -- limit ourselves to 5 built cities and allow some captured cities to be kept Epic -- no pre-determined limits on number of cities. It is being polled in 4 options. What maximum limit do you want on the number of cities? A. 5 (strict 5CC) B. 5 + number of rival civs (5BC with captured cities) C. 5 + 2*(number of rival civs) (5BC with more captured cities) D. No pre-determined limit (Epic) The winner will be determined using cumulative voting. Scan from one end of the list, totaling as you go. Stop on the option which pushes the count over 50%. If you're savvy in math you'll see that it doesn't matter which end to start from, but to eliminate the possibility of arguments we'll start counting at the top of the list. Pick a discussion, any discussion. Poll duration will be 3 days. In the meantime I suggest we work on the parts of the ruleset and game settings which are not dependent on the kind of game.