"Conspiracy Theories" that you believe in!

[yung.carl.jung]

As some of you may know so called "Conspiracy Theories" are a big hobby of mine. I do my best to stay in-touch with what lizard-jew-cabal is ruling the world right now, how Obama turned my pond gay and how the Atlantean Aliens visited earth in 9000BC and started civilization.

But in all seriousness.. There is some really "out there" stuff that I believe in, some I can prove, and I really wanted to hear everyone's personal pet peeve. I'm insanely curious about the incredible things that you believe in, and why, of course.

This is a thread for all outlandish believes, for everything that somehow has to do with conspiracy, cover up, it doesn't even have to be political at all, I'm actually very eager to hear about ancient aliens (and similiar!) because it is (mostly) nonpolitical.

So, because this is such a touchy topic, I will throw the first stone and embarass myself. It is for the greater good. There are many things I believe in that some people deem a "conspiracy theory", so I'll go right ahead.

1. I believe that the CIA assisted drug dealers in both the US and latin America in various ways. They helped establish contact between each other, they helped with the shipments, they purposefully did not prosecute anyone involved and they tolerated the spread of Crack in the USA.

If you want evidence of this I will gladly link you to a post I made a few weeks ago on the same topic.

2. I believe that the US (more precisely, CIC and CIA) helped Nazi officials flee Germany and employed them as counter-terrorist ntelligence specialists. Those Nazi officials were an essential part of the ANti-communist task force in Europe, the drug trade in Latin America, but also assisted in toppling regimes and other criminal activities.

"Historians estimate that Barbie was directly responsible for the deaths of up to 14,000 people.[7][8"

"In 1947, Barbie was recruited as an agent for the 66th Detachment of the U.S. Army Counterintelligence Corps (CIC).[12] The U.S. used Barbie and other Nazi Party members to further anti-Communist efforts in Europe. Specifically, they were interested in British interrogation techniques which Barbie had experienced firsthand, and the identities of SS officers the British were using for their own ends. Later, the CIC housed him in a hotel in Memmingen, and he reported on French intelligence activities in the French zone of occupied Germany because they felt the French were infiltrated with Communists.[13]"

"Barbie emigrated to Bolivia, where he lived well under the alias Klaus Altmann. It was easier and less embarrassing for him to find employment there than in Europe, and he enjoyed excellent relations with high-ranking Bolivian officials, including Bolivian dictators Hugo Banzer and Luis García Meza Tejada. "Altmann" was known for his German nationalist and anti-communist stances.[16] While engaged in arms-trade operations in Bolivia, he was appointed to the rank of lieutenant colonel within the Bolivian Armed Forces.[17]"

"Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed. Some estimates are that at least 60,000 deaths can be attributed to Condor,[8][9] and possibly more.[10] Victims included dissidents and leftists, union and peasant leaders, priests and nuns, students and teachers, intellectuals and suspected guerillas.[10]Condor's key members were the governments in Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Boliviaand Brazil. The United States government provided technical support and supplied military aid to the participants during the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan administrations.[2] Such support was frequently routed through the Central Intelligence Agency."

"The SIDE also assisted Bolivian general Luis García Meza Tejada's Cocaine Coup in Bolivia, with the help of the Italian Gladiooperative Stefano Delle Chiaie and Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie (see also Operation Charly)."

Source(s): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie#US_intelligence_and_Bolivia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

If you want to read more about the Cocaine Coup and the various times the CIA was involved in the drug trade in Latin America, check out Mahmood Mamdanis "Good Muslim, Bad Musim", a great book about covert actions during the cold war.

If you however want to go even deeper down the rabbit hole try reading the CovertActionQuarterly, a magazine written by ex-CIA officials. However I do not attest for anything written in there and I do not take CAQ as proof for anything, since it is questionable.

3. The Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag and everyone involved knows it.

"In the 2003 documentary The Fog of War, the former United States Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara admitted that the August 2 USS Maddox attack happened with no Defense Department response, but the August 4 Gulf of Tonkin attack never happened.[6] In 1995, former Secretary of Defense McNamara met with former Vietnam People's Army General Võ Nguyên Giáp to ask what happened on August 4, 1964 in the second Gulf of Tonkin Incident. "Absolutely nothing", Giáp replied.[7] Giáp claimed that the attack had been imaginary.[8]

The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communistaggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam."

Source(s): Whttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
YouTube clip where McNamara, in an interview, admits that the operation was a false flag:

I may add more things as I move on. For now please feel free to share everything outlandish that you believe in, or discuss the beliefs posted ITT. I hope for a good discussion and a decent portion of craziness.

EDIT: Updated the OP

 

[Peuri]

I believe that all religions are essentially ongoing conspiracies. The original conspiracy is long dead and new minds use and twist the original ideas to further their own agendas and views, since religious truth is elastic. Sure some founders might have self suggested themselves into believing they were on a mission by godhead, and sure the rank and file people believe, but surely not all of the leaders, and therein lies the conspiracy.

 

[r16]

cIA pushed for the banning of cultivation of opium in Turkey , semi controlled or something in the 1970s so that they could legalize their Golden Triangle affair by as painkillers in hospitals and the lot . Involved B-52s and how they would level Istanbul but then this was more related to destabilizing the country . USAF people have been real hurt with pictures of B-52 wreckages included in a tour some people had before the Peace Conference in Paris and the lot . They might have used Cocain in all sorts of ways and it's so lovely when Taliban finally accepted UN control of the poppy fields as a last bid to deter the '52s and how Afghanistan had record harvests after the '52s did their thing and went home .

and while ı have no obligation to like the Commies , Nazis were not employed as "Counter-Terrorism" experts . Counter intelligence , yes and Commies conducted terrorism , but the the phrase sounds cool when people refer to Nazis .

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, it is interesting that at least the red apple tree prophesy will be actually (due to how it was worded, at least by its latest proponent, who died in the 90s) proven false within our lifetimes (or proven correct ). Afaik he was saying to people that they would live to see this.

That said, i don't believe it, although it isn't exactly unrealistic that something similar may happen (at least a large war).

 

[Commodore]

Not really that big of a conspiracy theory (in the sense that the implications of it don't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things), but the more I look into it the more I'm starting to agree with the theory that the current head we see on the Great Sphinx in Giza is not the original head. So many things just seem "off" about the current head that makes it seem like it is somehow different from the rest of the sculpture. I think the biggest thing that got me to really start taking this whole theory seriously is the difference in erosion we see between the head and the rest of the body. The head definitely does not seem to be as eroded as the body despite being the only part of the Great Sphinx that has constantly been exposed to the elements (the rest of the body being buried under sand for much of its existence, which would indicate that the head was recarved at some point. At least that would explain why the head doesn't seem to be as worn down as the rest of it.

 

[Borachio]

I think money is the biggest conspiracy that has ever been. And it largely goes unnoticed.

I mean, basically, the stuff is just unreal, it has no value in itself at all.

Yet we nearly all spend nearly all our lives chasing, hoarding, spending, or otherwise worrying about it.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Secret councils running the world don't seem too far-fetched to me. Maybe they're not top-down assemblies, but the idea of an elite exercising disproportionate influence in national and global affairs seems to be the way the world works.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

I believe that all religions are essentially ongoing conspiracies. The original conspiracy is long dead and new minds use and twist the original ideas to further their own agendas and views, since religious truth is elastic. Sure some founders might have self suggested themselves into believing they were on a mission by godhead, and sure the rank and file people believe, but surely not all of the leaders, and therein lies the conspiracy.

May I ask then who the authors of the original conspiracy were? I do know that a lot of the Abrahamic religions actually date back to Sumeria, maybe even older. Any thoughts on this?

All in all the "Religions are a conspiracy" thing sounds very Nietzschean to me and is obviously heavily focussed on the Abrahamic religions. I would never apply something like this to animistic religions, Taoism, or even Buddhism or Zen Buddhism. Maybe to Hinduism?

cIA pushed for the banning of cultivation of opium in Turkey , semi controlled or something in the 1970s so that they could legalize their Golden Triangle affair by as painkillers in hospitals and the lot . Involved B-52s and how they would level Istanbul but then this was more related to destabilizing the country . USAF people have been real hurt with pictures of B-52 wreckages included in a tour some people had before the Peace Conference in Paris and the lot . They might have used Cocain in all sorts of ways and it's so lovely when Taliban finally accepted UN control of the poppy fields as a last bid to deter the '52s and how Afghanistan had record harvests after the '52s did their thing and went home .

and while ı have no obligation to like the Commies , Nazis were not employed as "Counter-Terrorism" experts . Counter intelligence , yes and Commies conducted terrorism , but the the phrase sounds cool when people refer to Nazis .

Interestingly this is a theory that my dad pushed onto me and that I ended up accepting with little evidence. It makes a lot of sense though, especially if you consider that (please correct me if I am wrong) a lot of opiates and opioids today are still made by extracting raw materials from poppy seeds. The modern pharma industry really is not all that advanced, definitely not as advanced as they want you to think they are

I think money is the biggest conspiracy that has ever been. And it largely goes unnoticed.

I mean, basically, the stuff is just unreal, it has no value in itself at all.

Yet we nearly all spend nearly all our lives chasing, hoarding, spending, or otherwise worrying about it.

Most of the things we chase have no inherent value and are rather intangible: Happiness, peace of mind, freedom, Eudaimonia

 

[Hrothbern]

Secret councils running the world don't seem too far-fetched to me. Maybe they're not top-down assemblies, but the idea of an elite exercising disproportionate influence in national and global affairs seems to be the way the world works.

I think there are quite some of them.

• The completely secret ones
• The semi secret ones like the Freemasonry
• The public ones, disclosing meetings and participants, that do not disclose what they discuss like the Bilderberg Group

Any one of them could finance thinktanks to get convenient info out to the common public

 

[Peuri]

May I ask then who the authors of the original conspiracy were? I do know that a lot of the Abrahamic religions actually date back to Sumeria, maybe even older. Any thoughts on this?

All in all the "Religions are a conspiracy" thing sounds very Nietzschean to me and is obviously heavily focussed on the Abrahamic religions. I would never apply something like this to animistic religions, Taoism, or even Buddhism or Zen Buddhism. Maybe to Hinduism?

Ok, maybe "original" is a bit of a wrong word here, because religions arn't born in vaccuums, and pre-existing beliefs get copied into new religions (at what point christianity was born is for example debatable, Jesus' role isn't as straight forwart etc. and monolithic "hinduism" is a western fabrication by comparative religionists etc. etc.)

But my point was that the person(s) that fabricate new religious beliefs use them to their advantage, what ever that may be (Power, societal stability, wealth). Then that person dies and along comes someone like Paul of Tarsus and takes the beliefs in a wholly new merrygoround, furthering their views. Most of the time I'm sure they believe in their fabrications in the end through self suggestion. That's why I said it's ongoing, the fabrications are built upon fabrications, and often times the original intentions are lost during the decades. I would say it doesn't matter what the religion is (of course, what is a religion?), in the end someone fabricated it, and other people added their fabrications upon those fabrications. Could you care to elaborate why eastern or indigenous religions would be any different?

 

[EgonSpengler]

From 1936 to 1948, National City Lines - a bus company - bought up light rail companies in 44 US cities and dismantled them, supposedly in favor of city buses. NCL was a holding company for General Motors, Firestone Tires, Standard Oil and Philips Petroleum. In 1949, the companies involved were found guilty of conspiring to monopolize the sale of buses but were acquitted of conspiring to monopolize the ownership of the light rail companies. Executives of the companies involved were fined $1.00.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I believe that the left-wing terrorism in Germany during the sixties and seventies was deliberately orchestrated by the German government with help from the USA in order to discredit leftists.There is definitive proof that some radical groups were infiltrated by agents provocateurs who radicalised them further and supplied them with weapons and explosives.

I believe that more often than not the first person to throw a stone or bottle during an anti-government protest is a cop trying to create a reason for mass arrests.

I believe that The USA/CIA deliberately tried to crash Yugoslavia's economy through currency manipulation and supported radical nationalists and islamists just to destroy a "socialist" country.

I believe that Stalin was poisoned either by his "own" people who have had enough or by Yugoslavian agents.

I believe that all religions are essentially ongoing conspiracies. The original conspiracy is long dead and new minds use and twist the original ideas to further their own agendas and views, since religious truth is elastic. Sure some founders might have self suggested themselves into believing they were on a mission by godhead, and sure the rank and file people believe, but surely not all of the leaders, and therein lies the conspiracy.

No, I think some the founders might have been genuinely crazy or on drugs.
I believe the burning bush from the Bible was an acacia and Abraham was tripping on DMT when he inhaled the smoke.

I think there are quite some of them.

• The completely secret ones
• The semi secret ones like the Freemasonry
• The public ones, disclosing meetings and participants, that do not disclose what they discuss like the Bilderberg Group

Any one of them could finance thinktanks to get convenient info out to the common public

You forgot the completely public ones like the Cato Institute or the Republican Party.

 

[The_J]

A few years ago I'd have added here that "the US government is spying on all of us", but well, that turned out to be true.
As probably all governments do.
And FB. And Twitter. etc.
That's my paranoia .

 

[Hrothbern]

You forgot the completely public ones like the Cato Institute or the Republican Party.

I should have added The Second Law of Conspiracy
The more public a group, the more it is controlled by a more secret group

 

[metalhead]

 

[inthesomeday]

I don't find any need for conspiracy theories when the world's puppet masters are so widely open and public about it. I think if they were organized into secret cabals they'd be more efficient in their control, however, which to me discredits many of the conspiracy theories about these puppet masters.

They're not organized, or else they wouldn't let documentaries displaying their deeds slip through the censorship cracks or ideas like Black Lives Matter exist for the public. Social media would be quashed out because it's far too dangerous to the ruling class, in reality.

A good example of what I mean is the September 11th attacks. I absolutely believe that an independent Islamic extremist group perpetrated the attacks and that the US government had nothing to do with it. However, I also believe that the ensuing panic and thus the upswing in public support and enlistment for the various imperialist ventures that followed were fairly orchestrated in propaganda campaigns, both government and corporate-- however, there was next to no secrecy surrounding this essentially indisputable historical fact. Government officials all around the country most definitely and very publicly began to spout propaganda surrounding the attacks and the need for US imperialism in the Middle East as a result, and indeed US foreign and domestic policy following the attacks was directly hinged on the ability of government officials to publicly speak out in this way. In fact, today we see the effects of this disorganized but simultaneously focused propaganda campaign in the way our culture deals with the attacks, as a sort of legendary, infamous, taboo subject. I have no doubt in my mind that this cultural perception was the intent of government officials and their masters, specifically for the purpose of creating public endorsement for the imperialism that followed. However this is all very public. The only thing you may call a "conspiracy theory" is my beliefs about the fact that this shift was very intentional and motivated. It is a fact of history that the attacks essentially motivated the public to support the wars.

This is an example because I think this way about most things the government does. I think it's rare for them to intentionally orchestrate events, but that's because they really don't need to. All they need to do is to selectively affect public perception in whatever way is beneficial to the upper class. If someone powerful wants gun control, the government doesn't really have to orchestrate some gun attack, they just have to respond to one of the many regularly occurring gun attacks in a particular way, and usually the media will follow suit. The way that everything is designed in this country (and the world) is actually pretty efficient for achieving the goals of the rich, but that doesn't necessarily mean the rich organize together in secrecy. They don't have to. The world is already made for them.

 

[Berzerker]

Not really that big of a conspiracy theory (in the sense that the implications of it don't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things), but the more I look into it the more I'm starting to agree with the theory that the current head we see on the Great Sphinx in Giza is not the original head. So many things just seem "off" about the current head that makes it seem like it is somehow different from the rest of the sculpture. I think the biggest thing that got me to really start taking this whole theory seriously is the difference in erosion we see between the head and the rest of the body. The head definitely does not seem to be as eroded as the body despite being the only part of the Great Sphinx that has constantly been exposed to the elements (the rest of the body being buried under sand for much of its existence, which would indicate that the head was recarved at some point. At least that would explain why the head doesn't seem to be as worn down as the rest of it.

seems the head is made of a harder material, but its so much smaller relative to the body recarving is still a possibility

I thought the head might have represented a woman and the sculpture memorialized something that happened at or near the virgo/leo transition.

 

[warpus]

Reality is a simulation designed to test ridiculous ideas like people's responses to the Mandela effect, chocolate covered raisins, and Trump being president

 

[Kyriakos]

Reality is a simulation designed to test ridiculous ideas like people's responses to the Mandela effect, chocolate covered raisins, and Trump being president

M4099389 says that it is only from a human pov that some ideas seem more or less ridiculous than others; we look for x736298 parts in them, moreso in type xiw87.

 

[Hrothbern]

A good example of what I mean is the September 11th attacks. I absolutely believe that an independent Islamic extremist group perpetrated the attacks and that the US government had nothing to do with it. However, I also believe that the ensuing panic and thus the upswing in public support and enlistment for the various imperialist ventures that followed were fairly orchestrated in propaganda campaigns, both government and corporate-- however, there was next to no secrecy surrounding this essentially indisputable historical fact.

I agree with you on this case, in so far that I find it very plausible.
But do consider that this shadow network enables faster consensus and decisions to seize the opportunity as it comes.

in my earlier post I mentioned the Bilderberg Group
And that is a group that I believe does nothing else than sharing high value info, getting consensus and getting directions from and for themselves
Influencing the whole world...... since 1954.
First goal was to strenghten the NATO and bonds with the US in the growing anti-US environment in Europe at that time.
This link describes a bit the scope which could be attributed to them: https://www.prisonplanet.com/former-nato-secretary-general-admits-bilderberg-sets-global-policy.html

here some parts of the content in that link
"The summary report of the 1955 Bilderberg meeting which took place from September 23-25 1955 at the Grand Hotel Sonnenbichl in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, West Germany, talks of the “Pressing need to bring the German people, together with the other peoples of Europe, into a common market.”
"The 1955 Bilderberg summary outlines a consensus that, “It might be better to proceed through the development of a common market by treaty rather than by the creation of new high authorities.” The EEC was duly created via the Treaty of Rome, which was signed on 25 March 1957".

For Americans that never heard of Bilderberg this:
"In spring 2002, when war hawks in the Bush administration were pushing for a summer invasion of Iraq, Bilderbergers expressed their desire for a delay and the attack was not launched until March the following year".
"In 2006, journalists who got leaked information from inside Bilderberg predicted that the U.S. housing market would be allowed to soar before the bubble was cruelly popped, which is exactly what transpired".
"In June 2008, we learned that Bilderberg were creating the conditions for a financial calamity, which is exactly what began a few months later with the collapse of Lehman Brothers".


Bilderberg as Kingmaker:
"Barack Obama’s running mate Joe Biden was selected by Bilderberg luminary James A. Johnson, and John Kerry’s 2004 running mate John Edwards was also anointed by the group after he gave a glowing speech at the conference in 2004. Bilderberg attendees even broke house rules to applaud Edwards at the end of a speech he gave to the elitists about American politics. The choice of Edwards was shocking to media pundits who had fully expected Dick Gephardt to secure the position. The New York Post even reported that Gephardt had been chosen and “Kerry-Gephardt” stickers were being placed on campaign vehicles before being removed when Edwards was announced as Kerry’s number two".

Is that all BS ? just take a look at the list of powerful individuals who did attend in 2010.

Is such a group powerful ? yes
Does it control us ? no
Deviations from anticipated happen continuously.
It is just as in the famous Foundation Trilogy of Isaac Asimov where The Mule suddenly appears and the sociologically calculated/anticipated path forward has a sudden discontinuity.