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Constitional Freedom to the Provinces

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game V: Polls' started by ali, Oct 10, 2004.

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Do you believe that the provinces be turned into states where they will have premiers

Poll closed Oct 15, 2004.
  1. Yes

    3.6%
  2. no

    82.1%
  3. abstain

    14.3%
  4. other (please specify)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. ali

    ali Chieftain

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    I ali propose that the provinces be turned into States in which the Governors will be declared premiers where they will head a state government consisting in the following way:

    1) Premier
    2) Cabinet - Domestic/Treseary - which will help the premier develop the state and the cities within their jurisdiction
    3) Mayors will be replaced by this State Government

    Each State will have their own Soverign....under a centeralised Federal Government, this is designed to limited the power of the president in which the premiers may stop any decision made by the president if there is a 75% vote of no confidence amoungst the premiers, this is also to further the democratic values of this nation and limit governmental corruption.

    Each State will have their own Constitution; a set of laws; where conflicting issues that may come with the Central/Federal Constitution than the judges/Federal court will decide the matter (where it will be notably may come to the Federal side winning)

    These states will have no say on the forign policy of the nation, not directly at least, the premiers will also act as senators, where bills and proposals must be passed through where only a majority of 51% is needed..however any decision made by the group of premmiers or senate may be veoted by the people in a poll/referdenum.

    Military units produced in these states will be under the control of these premiers, however a percentage of these state owned units is to be given to the command of the Federal government, in a military crisis for the DEFENCE of the nation the presidet may order full command of the armed forces to the Central government, however this may not be warranted in any offensive wars where the premier may see fit not to release these forces..however the premier may be veoted in a referendum by the people or a vote of no confidence by his/her fellow premiers which must have a 3/4 majority to win a vote of no confidence.

    Resources of their state is to be used as the premier may see fit which of course is under the scrunity of the people...this is to maximise the Economic values and production of these areas...which may be under the discretion of the premier.

    Now ppl I request for these new reforms to make the Demogame more democratic and to limit the power of the few....iam open to ideas if ppl want to improve this model

    Regars ali
     
  2. ali

    ali Chieftain

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    Id like ppl to give reasons why or why they are not supporting this please?? (dont worry no one will get angry everyones views are welcomed)
     
  3. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    We already have a strong central government. We don't really need or have the capabilities to support feudalism or a confederacy.
     
  4. PavelP

    PavelP Chieftain

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    I think it's better to leave it the way it is.
    More independence for provinces IMHO will make
    our civ indecisive and less flexible.
    Besides provincial affairs usually attract
    less interest than federal, so
    there is no point to divide Japanatica.
     
  5. ali

    ali Chieftain

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    uumm this is any way not a feudal system..this is more democratic..i believe it will make th nation more economically and industrial stronger....we are not dividing the nation we are simpler changing the name of the governors and giving them more powers to limit that of the central government which will stop any unwarrented or illegal actions and limit the power of the few
     
  6. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    This is a Demogame, not a Game of Republic (or Fuedalism). That would be a different class of game. We tried this once with the Game of Republic, and Game of Theorocracy (which didn't really take off the ground) without much success.
     
  7. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    Democracies have strong central governments. Feudalism and Confederacies have weak central government with powerful local rulers.
     
  8. ali

    ali Chieftain

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    Feudalism also has serfs and few individual freeedom which this model is not based on i dislike the name for this model......democracies also have state governments....in which this idea is based on....the central government will remain strong and still have its powers but will simply lmore limited
     
  9. Rik Meleet

    Rik Meleet Top predator Retired Moderator

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    I remind the people that if the "Yes" option in this poll receives the most votes this wouldn't mean it is official. This smells like a constitutional change and there are other procedures to follow in order to change the constitution.
     
  10. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    What you're talking about is a Federal Republic Ali. We don't have nearly enough people to support that form of government. We have a direct democracy because we don't have that many people.

    What you propose wouldn't make the game more democratic, it would make it less, since the premiers are the senate. Whereas the citizens are the legislature right now.
     
  11. ali

    ali Chieftain

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    lol it looks like a close vote:p
     
  12. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Ghost Agent

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    We dont need a Confederation, Plus a confederation is usualy week (The early age of the US was in a confederation under the Articles of Confederation before the Consitution was written)

    Personaly, the Federal Republic is a best system (IMO) is good for this game (I use (Modern) Democracy and Federal Republic interchangeably) But then again, I am still learning about political science :p.
     
  13. ali

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    hey thats true but each state still have premiers if any1 looks to the i note "the most democratic nation on earth Australia" - wats that world/UN council that looks after democracy???....we have premiers....lol personally im love history but wasnt the USA a Confederacy up to the American civil war in 1861 where the constition was changed which still allowed freedom to the states but they could not succeed?????? from my reading and study of history...that made the formation of the CSA perfectly legal according to the USA constitution???......lol sorry leaving the treack
     
  14. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Ghost Agent

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    Im glad XIII is not in the Demogame anymore or he would start a history lecure ;).

    Meanwhile, In the Demogame...
     
  15. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    We need him back. ;)
     
  16. Zarn

    Zarn Le Républicain Catholique

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    Democracy is direct representation, where people vote on issues directly.
    Cons- majority dictatorship is possible; time consuming for population

    Federalism is a system where power is divided between provinces and the national government, where the national government had slighty more power concerning domestics and all the power concerning foreign relations.

    Republicanism (or The Republic) is where people chose representatives to represent them at local, provincional, and national levels. There is no hereditary positions.
    Cons- Representative corruption is possible

    Democracy is really only used at local levels in the United States.
     
  17. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    Confederations are a bunch of seperate territories with specific interest the band together for military and trade interests. The little central authority that holds them together has no real power, the power rests within each of the territories.

    The DemoGame is a mix of direct democracy, republicanism, and federalism.
     
  18. snipelfritz

    snipelfritz Crazy about the Demogame

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    Federalism, Confederism. I no not of what you speak. The only types of government are Republic, Monarchy, Democracy, Communism, and Despotism. Feudalism and Facism if you're playing Conquests.
    :D
     
  19. ali

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    oh well the ppl have spoken!!!
     

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