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Constitutional Articles Ratified

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game V: Citizens' started by Immortal, Jul 27, 2004.

  1. Immortal

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    Article A.  All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen 
                Registry are citizens of our country. Citizens have the 
                right to assemble, the right to free movement, the right 
                to free speech, the right to a fair trial, the right to 
                representation, the right to seek to redress grievances 
                and the right to vote.
    
    Article B.  Governing rules shall consist of these Articles of the 
                Constitution, such amendments that shall follow and lower
                forms of law that may be implemented. No rule shall be 
                valid that contradicts these Articles. The Constitution 
                amendments can be added/modified/removed when the 
                need arises.
    
    Article C.  The government will consist of the Executive Branch, 
                Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.
    
    Article D.  The Executive branch is responsible for determining 
                and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
                by the President who shall be the primary Designated 
                Player. The President shall take direction from a 
                council of leaders and from other elected and appointed 
                officials via the turnchat instruction thread. The President
                shall be tasked with control of worker actions.
                  1.  The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be 
                      responsible for all domestic initiatives, worker allocation, as well 
                      as the distribution of funds, as prescribed by law.
                  2.  The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible
                      for matters involving treaties with foreign nations, 
                      as prescribed by law.
                  3.  The Minister of Defense shall be responsible for all
                      military strategy and troop activities, as 
                      prescribed by law.
                  4.  The Minister of Trade shall be responsible for all 
                      trade, domestic and foreign, and the use of resources,
                      as perscibed by law.
                  5.  The Minister of Science shall be responsible for all tech 
                      acquisition, as prescribed by law.
                  6.  The Minister of Culture shall be responsible for the
                      keeping of the peace and the construction of wonders.
    
    Article F.  The Judicial Branch will consist of one Chief Justice, one Public
                Defender and a Judge Advocate. These three justices
                are tasked with upholding the Constitution and its supporting 
                laws (if any) in a fair and impartial manner as prescribed 
                by law. The Chief Justice shall have the additional 
                responsibility to organize and conduct the affairs of the 
                Judicial Branch. The Public Defender will act as council to an
                accused individual. The Judge Advocate will act as the prosecution.
    
    Article H.  No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership (President, 
                Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.
    
    Article I.  Census, and Amending the Constitution
                  1.  The census shall be defined as the average number 
                      of votes cast, dropping fractions, in each of the
                      contested elections in the most recent general 
                      election.
                  2.  Ratification of Amendments to the Constitution 
                      shall require each of the following:
                    a.  A poll which is open for at least 96 hours, which 
                        states the text of the proposed new section(s), 
                        the text of the section(s) being replaced, and 
                        posing the question in the form of yes / no / 
                        abstain.
                    b.  A majority of yes votes.
                    c.  A number of yes votes greater than or equal to 
                        2/3 the census current at the start of voting on 
                        the amendment, dropping any fraction therein.
                    d.  The Amendment poll must first be posted as a 
                        "proposed poll" in the discussion thread created 
                        for the Amendment. The proposed poll must exist
                        in the discussion thread for 24 hours prior to the 
                        Amendment poll being created. This gives adequate
                        time for review and changes.
    
    Article J.  Elected officials must plan and act according to the will 
                of the people. The will of the people will be determined 
                through discussion and polls, formal or informal. If pertinent 
                discussion is done outside the scope of the DG forums, then it must 
                be documented in the Turnchat Instruction Thread 6 hours
                prior to the commencement of the turnchat by the appropriate 
                leader.
    
    Article K.  All irreversible game actions must progress during a 
                public turnchat, while reversible game actions(ie build 
                queues) that adhere to legal instruction can be prepared 
                offline.
    
    Article L.  The constitution, laws and standards of Fanatika can never 
                be contrary to the rules and regulations of the 
                Civfanatics forums. Moderators may veto any such 
                constitutional amendments, laws or standards.
    
    Article M.  Commission of any game action by any person other than 
                the Designated Player while carrying out their duties 
                that is not instantly reversible without reloading the 
                save is strictly forbidden.
                  1.  Exception: Determining options in the renegotiation 
                      of Peace agreements requires an action of acceptance 
                      or war to exit the bargain screen. This may be done 
                      but the game must be immediately closed without 
                      saving.
    
    Article N.  Rights reserved to the people 
               As provided by Article A of this constitution, all actions not forbidden 
               by forum rules, or by this Constitution, are presumed to be within the 
               right of every citizen.  Actions prescribed by this Constitution may be 
               substituted by other similar actions, provided such substitution lies 
               within the spirit of these rules.
    
    Preamble: POLLING
    Article A: RATIFIED
    Article B: RATIFIED
    Article C: RATIFIED
    Article D: RATIFIED
    Article E: DEFEATED
    Article F: RATIFIED
    Article G: DEFEATED
    Article H: RATIFIED
    Article I: RATIFIED
    Article J: RATIFIED
    Article K: RATIFIED
    Article L: RATIFIED
    Article M: RATIFIED
    Article N: RATIFIED
    Article O: DEFEATED
     
  2. MSTK

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    IIRC, D, E, and O both have atleast 20 votes in atleast one answer.
     
  3. KCCrusader

    KCCrusader Defending the Holy Land

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    they need 15 more to make the required number to pass.
     
  4. Donovan Zoi

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    He meant 15 more votes. ;) Right now, our polled census stands at 45, which makes our new "active census" 30. So, yes, we still need some votes.
     
  5. MSTK

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    Oh...I see.

    Sorry for the confusion that I caused to myself...
     
  6. Immortal

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    15 more Yes votes.
     
  7. Donovan Zoi

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    And actually, per Article I, we will have to make that 30 YES votes. 2/3 of census of 45. And to make things worse, our Election polls will be resetting the census at at least 50(and rising :eek: ). So add three more YES votes to any future amendment attempts.

    Can you see now why I want Article I changed? :)

    Will be working on that soon BTW ;)
     
  8. Immortal

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    census is 48 donovan zoi.

    As our soon-to-be-elected-unless-the-elections-are-irrelevent-Chief Justice informed me over PM, we have to count CITIZEN count as census, not VOTING CITIZEN.
     
  9. Donovan Zoi

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    Ah ok. Well then that makes it even harder to make active census numbers if citizens that count toward the census are willfully hindering the ratification process.

    So the number to beat is 32 YES votes now. I am going to get started on that amendment.
     
  10. Immortal

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    32 is indeed the number to BE!

    or Beat....

    Since 3 articles passed as 32 votes, you have your work cut out for you.
     
  11. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Come on, people. Go check the polls and make sure you voted in all the ratification poll. :thumbsup:
     
  12. Immortal

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    As it stand now, governors are non-existent, as are provinces. There is no term limits and deputies do not exist.

    All elections, discussions and polls relevent to the following are considered constitutionally nonexistent, therefore irrelevent at this time:

    Provinces
    Provincial Governors
    Congress
    Length of Terms
    Absenteeism
    Deputys
     
  13. Comnenus

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    Doesn't Article I,c supercede Article I,b?
     
  14. Immortal

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    It may come before it, but ratification requires BOTH.
     
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    Well, it's just nitpicking as I don't have anything better to do anyway, but if you require 66% of the vote you automatically require a majority of the vote.

    Also, is there any work being done on the defeated Articles that I could help with?
     
  16. Immortal

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    I dont know actually, those who voted against the articles are going to have to discuss, propose, and poll their own articles now.

    Im glad there are citizens such as yourself who are actively involved in the constitutional process, unfortunately there arent enough. :rolleyes:
     
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    How do I go about submitting an Article for consideration. Should I start a new thread, or post it in the original thread, or what? If I remember right, it needs to be posted as a proposed Article first and put forward for discussion.
     
  18. Immortal

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    Open up a discussion thread for the article youd like to propose, and well discuss it in the thread.
     
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    Excellent work, Immortal. I'm gonna have to get you a raise. :)

    Looking at the list of approved Articles, I see that Article H not only mentions the Governors, but identifies them as positions of Leadership.

    Article H. No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership (President,
    Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.

    Even Provinces (ie Provincial) are mentioned. :thumbsup:

    Could this allow Provinces and Governors both to exist in our virtual world?
     
  20. Immortal

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    okay, at least this means that the elections for the governor CAN be considered valid.

    Deputies on the other hand....

    However, our definitions of what exactly a governor and a province IS is still lacking.

    What is the definition of IS? to make a Clinton reference.

    This allows us to define them in a law rather than an amendment at least. So we can ignore the 2/3 amendment principal.
     

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