Apostolic is an early food engine and a continual faith engine. I like it least with authority, because the grown results in unhappiness. Progress and Tradition can use the food better. It’s really useful for having a chance to reform early, because the extra faith actually gives you a chance of doing so.
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Apostolic is an early food engine and a continual faith engine. I like it least with authority, because the grown results in unhappiness. Progress and Tradition can use the food better. It’s really useful for having a chance to reform early, because the extra faith actually gives you a chance of doing so.
Could you post what founder belief you take? Our goal is to compare progress/authority so I want to copy your homework.
I'm taking WoP. 8food for free is jsut too tempting. My cities are even close to unhappy no matter how much I grow them. 1/2 science per pop for again synergy. Kind of wanted culture but it is so much worse.
I have too much gold now too although not really as you can spend a pretty absurd amount on envoys and investing every building if you have it. It is pretty funny that all three of Portugal's abilities generate even more gold.
I'm also taking statecraft depending on how closely you want to mirror me.
I took a different follower belief (but I think that's fine and an accurate thing between progress and authority) but I'll take WoP. I was just concerned that if I take Way of Transcendence it would change comparisons drastically. Also fine with statecraft, its just the natural choice as Portugal.
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We are already diverging enough that any measurement is going to be hard But anyway.
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I'll post a screenshot again for turn 150, every 30 turns seem reasonable?
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I have experimented with the new patch and I think selling is still way too good. I was getting 3-4 per strategic for the first of a batch, but selling it accelerates the price after that somehow and you can get 6+ for the last one, and this is very early in the game like turn 50. Selling the luxes isn't as bad but it still feels like a bit too much, just due to haggling being too strong.
I think to play and not have it distorted by gold laundering we're going to need to implement something of our own for the next while. Some thoughts:
1) Banning haggling, all trades must be exactly even in the opinion of the AI or "positive" for the AI.
2) Banning tech trading, this feeds into everything a bit too much and turns everything into too much of a market.
3) Something for strategics, which are the only serious issue not covered by the above. We could entirely ban selling strategics, or perhaps cap the sell value. Maybe 50g of sell value per strategic scaling with era? (Note that 50g of value is more than 1 gpt because the AI devalues gpt.)
We could also just play Pauper, but I feel that is distortionary in other ways, even if it is simpler to do.
I think to play and not have it distorted by gold laundering we're going to need to implement something of our own for the next while. Some thoughts:
1) Banning haggling, all trades must be exactly even in the opinion of the AI or "positive" for the AI.
2) Banning tech trading, this feeds into everything a bit too much and turns everything into too much of a market.
3) Something for strategics, which are the only serious issue not covered by the above. We could entirely ban selling strategics, or perhaps cap the sell value. Maybe 50g of sell value per strategic scaling with era? (Note that 50g of value is more than 1 gpt because the AI devalues gpt.)
We could also just play Pauper, but I feel that is distortionary in other ways, even if it is simpler to do.
1) This is surprisingly hard to do in an objective way and requires massive clicking. It's very easy to over collect by accident.
2) I always play with it banned anyways
3) A rule of banning sale of strategics but allowing luxuries might work.
The Pauper's challenge can be really tough for tradition, but played with the right civ, or rolling until we get a start where the luxury provides some gold might work.
Really 1 GPT not being worth 50 was a very stupid change, it defeats the entire point of the displayed valuation system. You used to be able to just divide by 50 and get the gold amount to type.
Hmm, I agree banning haggling makes it annoying to use. What if Strategics could only be traded for other Strategics or for 1 gpt per, and Embassies could only be traded for other Embassies or for 1 gpt? 4 gpt Embassies are one of the most abusive things really, doesn't even need a worker.
I'll join in (need to finish my current game first though)
Sure sounds good.
I played your patch a bit and the current beta seems fairly similar to it now. You can't really do any early wonders as they are big gamble, which changes opening a lot.
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