Copying CD

[roalan]

I note in the back of the manuel +End-User License Agreement
page 75 under Permitted Uses item #2 You may make one copy for back up purposes etc. Then under Restrictions item #3 page 76 it says "You may NOT copy " the software. Whichj is it copy or not?
I tried to make a copy on a CD-Recordable Disk but it came back with two errors ,one unknown and another one as unreadable.
Can any one shed some light on this,Can the Disk be copied and if so what is the best CD to use. I was using a K Hypermedia disc.

 

[thestonesfan]

Hmm. I doubt it has much to do with your disc, as long as it was a working disc.

There may be some copying procedure you need to follow, or they may have made a typo.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Strange contradiction but I'm sure they don't want you to make a copy as the civ discs are usually copy protected. You have to use certain programs to make a working copy but I doubt your supposed to do that either.

 

[thestonesfan]

Yeah, PTW was so well copy-protected I couldn't even play using the original disc!

 

[sealman]

Originally posted by thestonesfan
Yeah, PTW was so well copy-protected I couldn't even play using the original disc!

Me too!

 

[Dearmad]

Just get insektor and dupe the damned disk to work with that. I really HATE the infringement on my rights to protect my property that is imposed on me by the media undustry. I BUY ALL MY SOFTWARE, even the OS for my computer, I BUY EVERYTHING! If I dcan't afford it then I DON'T OWN IT AND DON'T USE IT! I buy all my music CD's!! If I don't OWN it, I listen to it on the radio or borrow another legal copy from the LIBRARY! I AM SICK OF RESPECTING RIGHTS OF OTHERS WHO IN TURN DISSRESPECT ME! WITHOUT EXCEPTION! My brother in law was a game programmer, I'm an artist, so I know about intellectual property respect first hand.

So INSEKTOR my man... then copy the image file over, patch the image, and write your CD. Load up the insektor driver and you're good to go copying anything.

IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO COPY A CD FOR YOUR BACKUP PURPOSES REGARDLESS OF ANY LICENSING AGREEMENT YOU HAVE IMPLICITELY JOINED. PERIOD. IT IS NOT PIRATING.

 

[thestonesfan]

Uh, but isn't it the publisher's right to do anything they want to what they publish?

 

[robcheng]

Originally posted by thestonesfan
Uh, but isn't it the publisher's right to do anything they want to what they publish?

(emphasis mine)

So you would be in favor of publishers hiring goons to break down your front door and drag you away to prison for allowing your little sister to catch a glimpse of one sentence in an e-book that you purchased but she did not?

 

[thestonesfan]

Originally posted by robcheng
(emphasis mine)

So you would be in favor of publishers hiring goons to break down your front door and drag you away to prison for allowing your little sister to catch a glimpse of one sentence in an e-book that you purchased but she did not?

That would not be doing anything to the e-book, that would be doing something to me.

Once I buy it, I should be able to do whatever I CAN with it, not do whatever I WANT with it. If they don't want me copying it and put the appropriate protection on it, I have no grounds to say that I'm being treated unfairly.

 

[Myartar]

Originally posted by Dearmad
Just get insektor and dupe the damned disk to work with that. I really HATE the infringement on my rights to protect my property that is imposed on me by the media undustry. I BUY ALL MY SOFTWARE, even the OS for my computer, I BUY EVERYTHING! If I dcan't afford it then I DON'T OWN IT AND DON'T USE IT! I buy all my music CD's!! If I don't OWN it, I listen to it on the radio or borrow another legal copy from the LIBRARY! I AM SICK OF RESPECTING RIGHTS OF OTHERS WHO IN TURN DISSRESPECT ME! WITHOUT EXCEPTION! My brother in law was a game programmer, I'm an artist, so I know about intellectual property respect first hand.

So INSEKTOR my man... then copy the image file over, patch the image, and write your CD. Load up the insektor driver and you're good to go copying anything.

IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO COPY A CD FOR YOUR BACKUP PURPOSES REGARDLESS OF ANY LICENSING AGREEMENT YOU HAVE IMPLICITELY JOINED. PERIOD. IT IS NOT PIRATING.

Calm down, my friend. Atari loves you too I'm sure. No need to get upset.

 

[jamesjkirk]

The law states that you're allowed to make backup copies of software, provided they're for use on the same computer.

 

[civzombie]

Yes, copyright law recognizes that you have a FAIR USE RIGHT to make the copy you want, regardless of the details of the license agreement

 

[Puppeteer]

You'd need an attourney to sort out what you can and can't do legally in your locale. Law, as read by someone like me, seems to contradict itself a lot.

Generally speaking, you can't in practice make an exact copy of the CD. It is trivial to copy all the files to another CD, but the game won't recognize it as the game CD to launch.

Any discussion on how to overcome this--outside of contacting Atari support or buying another CD--will run afoul of the forum rules.

 

[DisplacedCajun]

I believe that Safedisk is used for the copy protection on the CIV CDs. What this means is that there are "bad sectors" burned into the CD that read as disk errors when in fact they are the bits that tell the game that this is the legit CD. US copyright law gives you the right to make one backup copy for yourself. That applies to all media, not just software.

 

[warpstorm]

But the DMCA makes it a crime in the USA to try to defeat a copy protection scheme.

 

[DisplacedCajun]

Originally posted by warpstorm
But the DMCA makes it a crime in the USA to try to defeat a copy protection scheme.

It makes it a crime to PUBLISH documents or tools on how to defeat a copy protection scheme.

 

[jened]

Originally posted by DisplacedCajun


It makes it a crime to PUBLISH documents or tools on how to defeat a copy protection scheme.

which means without someone else telling us how or a software program to download, it is impossible for all but the most tech savvy to do on their own. it wouldn't be copy protection if the average joe could figure it out to make a backup copy.

 

[civzombie]

"which means without someone else telling us how or a software program to download, it is impossible for all but the most tech savvy to do on their own. it wouldn't be copy protection if the average joe could figure it out to make a backup copy."

Not quite right. It is illegal to distribute software that reverse engineers or hacks digital protection schemes IN THIS COUNTRY (DMCA). It is not illegal to distribute them in other countries. It is also not illegal to download them, or use them yourself.

The reverse engineering provisions and the fair use provisions allow you to do this.

So, it is okay for the average joe to download and use these to bypass the copy protection schemes and make a backup copy. It is still of course illegal to give the copy to a friend.

 

[roalan]

Yes one can make a copy of the game and it appears on the new disk BUT you can not use it to play the game because of something else built in so it will not play or install.
So what good is a back up copy if it will not install or work?
If a file becomes ,say. corrupt on the game disk can you transfer one of the copied files from the disk that does not work to the original game disk? That would seem to be the only purpose of coping the game disk?

 

[Sukenis]

I have had this issue pop up with my software. I had a copy of te Diable 2 expansion (bought a copy, not burnt a copy). Computer "broke" and I could not get the CD out of the CD ROM. Forcing it open ruined the CD.

I have nightmares about this happeening to PTW and having to go back to just plain Civ 3.