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Coronavirus 2: the Flattening

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Arwon, Apr 5, 2020.

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  1. Estebonrober

    Estebonrober Deity

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    Don't pick up things and put them back? Honestly hand sanitizer should be provided (normally was (most never noticed) before the mad rush on sanitizer globally). My point is you should mask up the 15 minutes you are in the grocery. Buy your own, they are cheap. Then you are in complete control.
     
  2. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    I find it kinda weird that people are somehow touching their face when they put on a mask. Sure, you contaminate the mask when you set the nose, but you don't contaminate your hands ...
     
  3. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    That sucks, but I don't think it's a good reason. Current CDC guidelines,

    Person-to-person spread
    The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

    • Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
    • Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks.
    • These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
    • COVID-19 may be spread by people who are not showing symptoms.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

    Based. 1,2 and 4. I think that you cannot wear a normal mask, if you're in a store, you have an obligation to try out the ones that secure behind your head. It's an act of aggression not to.
     
  4. Estebonrober

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    This is really sequence specific. In the surgery setting you thoroughly clean your hands and arms with disinfectant and then mask, gown, and glove up. It can go either way depending on the order of operation on what is "contaminating" what.
     
  5. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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  6. Estebonrober

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  7. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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    Oh… blockers all the way.

    It's quite Orwellian, as with msot things this government does, to just have billboard after billboard proclaim the goodness of the government forking out to pay ‘our’ salaries. Even if I for one have been reduced to an income of 0 for months now.
     
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  8. red_elk

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    How on Earth they are going to enforce it? Many people don't even have smartphones.
     
  9. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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    1) Argentina has more mobile phones, smart- or otherwise, than total population. It's ridiculous but people foist smartphones on 6-year-olds as soon as they pack them off to first grade.
    2) The point is to scare people. Since its very inception Peronism has run on a Hitler-lite MO of regular intimidation campaigns; I remember their promotion of state-operated lottery back in 2014-15 having ‘if you do good things, good things will happen to you’ as its motto, which made them sound like what they were and still are: thieves.

    It doesn't go much beyond that, really.
     
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  10. red_elk

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    I mean, what happens if you just don't install it? Which I definitely would do if my government demanded me to install something on my private devices.
    And I don't see a point, tbh. They can track anybody without installing additional apps.
     
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  11. Zelig

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    I'm not sure if my quoted post that this came after was just there for context to your post in general, or if you misread it, but we're in agreement here.

    Or, you know, rather than trusting people not to touch anything (which, for many stores, isn't practical anyway), just have them sanitize their hands.

    Yes, the issue is if they're requiring people to touch their own already-used masks and then hand-cleaning isn't available.

    Like I said, I support businesses requiring masks, as long as they're providing the masks and/or making hand sanitizer available. I already wear a mask where required, I just endeavour to do my business quickly before a headache starts.

    I was at Safeway today, and other than the barista at Starbucks, I didn't see a single employee wearing a mask - I don't feel particularly aggressive about also not wearing one.

    And I'd happily volunteer for variolation so that I wouldn't be an asymptomatic risk. (At all, which even 100% mask wearers still are.) (Or pay for antibody testing to confirm if I'm already not.)
     
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  12. uppi

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    I don't know how you put on a mask, but for me it usually involves my hand and my face.

    But much worse is actually fidgeting with the (potentially highly contaminated) mask after you put it on. People tend to do that and it gets worse the more makeshift the mask is. Luckily, smear infection with this coronavirus is not very likely, otherwise the mask requirement would have horribly backfired.
     
  13. amadeus

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    Two days in a row now of 0 detected cases in Osaka, total of about 600 tests. 14 in Tokyo today, but I don’t know how many tests they’ve done.

    I’ll probably need to copy and paste this if I keep updating: there is no on-demand testing in Japan. It’s done either on the recommendation of a doctor or if you have been exposed to someone known to have had it. This is why the number of tests is relatively low compared to other countries.

    The state of emergency has been lifted here, so I’ll be watching to see how the numbers change over the next few weeks after regular economic activity begins again.
     
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  14. Zardnaar

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    Very low amount of testing. With 1/20th of the population we're doing X10 the testing some days.
     
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  15. IglooDude

    IglooDude Enforcing Rule 34 Retired Moderator Supporter

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    I'm kind of curious if you've thought about the various professions that involve wearing very frequently wearing a mask, like certain doctor and nursing specialties, painters, hazmat removal specialists, and so on.
     
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  16. Bamspeedy

    Bamspeedy We'll dig up the road!

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    I've heard those disposable ear loop ones are supposed to be only used for 4 hours at a time max then disposed of. But I can't find any verification of that, so might not be true. I don't know anybody at my work that exchanges their mask at every break, instead using the same mask for a 12 hour shift. Most people will be fully 'masked up' when at the time clock, but when actually start to do the physical work many stop covering their nose to help breathe and some remove their mask completely (most of the time people are over 20 feet away from anyone else).
    And of course some huddle around the same break room table. There are plenty of tables and most of the time there is 1-2 people at a table. But there is this one group that will pile 6+ at a table that should only fit 4.

    My wife got a hundred masks from her family in China, then when she went back to work her employer banned surgical masks (to save for healthcare workers) and only allow cloth masks.
     
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  17. hobbsyoyo

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    They sold their recently vested shares automatically per a schedule. It certainly looks bad but it was routine and not linked to the vaccine news.
    No shirt, no shoes, no service has no current political significance. Masks do, unfortunately, because Trump has made it a political issue.
     
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  18. Zelig

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    NZ at about the same population and test rate as here. It seems there's pretty rapidly diminishing returns of testing once you're testing everyone with symptoms and their close contacts. Problem is that with decreased social restrictions, the number of people with symptoms increase dramatically, so you need to suppress non-covid cold/flu indefinitely unless you can increase testing by a couple additional orders of magnitude. (And then... what's the point? That seems like a herculean effort just so people can continue to get sick with non-covid illnesses.)
     
  19. El_Machinae

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    It's the reusing of the contaminated mask that I was missing. I use a system where I decontaminate my masks, so I only ever contaminate a mask when I'm putting it on.

    I still prefer people wear masks, because it's their exhalation that is my risk factor. Them touching things in the store doesn't it matter, because I assume the store services are contaminated. It's walking through their Vapor Clouds that's my risk
     
  20. uppi

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    I doubt many people have enough masks to avoid reusing them before decontamination - I certainly don't.
     
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