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Coronavirus 3: The Resurgence

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by red_elk, Jun 27, 2020.

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  1. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Hi, read this:
     
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  2. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    @Lemon Merchant Well, I was going to reply to Commodore, but after reading your post, I see no point. You said everything so well. :)
     
  3. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    If you're truly willing to pay thousands, getting infected by the coronavirus on your schedule would be extremely easy. I would personally wait until the data regarding reinfection in more stable, but that's just me. All that said, obviously you should be wearing a mask now, since you don't know if you're infectious.

    I won't lie, I've often gotten to the point where I am waiting for someone I know to test positive and then getting them to lick my eyeball.
     
  4. Aleksey_aka_al

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    That’s the usual covid mythologemes. So what?
     
  5. Zelig

    Zelig Beep Boop

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    Would it? Just finding someone who's a confirmed positive case seems challenging. I imagine any classified ad marketplace would be hostile to my ads searching for people with COVID-19. I suppose I could lie and say I'm a journalist or researcher, and then have respondents fill out a questionnaire about other infectious diseases that I don't want to accidentally catch before offering them cash to attempt to infect me.

    Once the infection is attempted, the happy path is that then I get tested, and it's positive. Unclear what to do if I get a negative test. Did I already catch it sometime is the past few months? Am I showing symptoms but they're actually from a different infection? Am I naturally asymptomatic? Did I get a false negative test? Did I just get an insufficient viral load for infection? Did I just waste another two weeks of my life for nothing?

    It's doable, but vastly more complicated than if there was support from an actual health authority.


    As a side note, I could currently get an antibody test for $200... I have mixed thoughts, but will hold off on sharing them, pending input from anyone here on the merits.
     
  6. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Phoenix, AZ; Houston, TX; and Jacksonville, FL are calling. Pick the one closet to you and spend a weekend in one of them.
     
  7. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    There will be a spread of specificity values (and it's probably specificity that you're most interested in). Honestly, I wouldn't trust the published numbers yet, but that's just because I've purchased antibodies. I'm sure I'm wrong, since my bias is over a decade in the making.

    The greatest risk from an antibody test is a false positive, where you think you have boosted resistance, but you don't.
     
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  8. Zelig

    Zelig Beep Boop

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    I'm not sure "cross into America illegally" simplifies my plan a whole lot.
     
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  9. Zardnaar

    Zardnaar Deity

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    Lockdown s a d social distancing are being done. New York's got through the worst of it and it's reaching smaller centers.
     
  10. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    Meanwhile in the Rodina
    At least Ivan is digging trenchs to try and contain this. Yank is strutting around acting like everything is fine.

     
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  11. red_elk

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    Not knowing whether immunity is stable and with a possibility to get long term damage to the body. Cool plan.

    Lockdowns suppose to prevent new infections, not to help already infected. What we see is stable death rate despite sharp growth in new infections per day.
    Either doctors learnt to treat covid more effectively, or something else is happening.
     
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  12. Seon

    Seon Not An Evil Liar

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    Or, you know, people suffer from covid for a few weeks before they drop dead.

    So if we see a massive increase in new infection rate as we’ve been observing for the last week or so, we should expect a massive spike in death rate in either coming week or the week after that. This is Espescially if the ever increasing number of infected overwhelm hospital capacity.
     
  13. Zardnaar

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    Takes 2-4 weeks for the deathtoll to climb.

    Might not see the old deathtoll numbers. With more testing though you will get more cases and a lower death rate.

    Still wait a few weeks and see if you get 2000 dead a day in USA.
     
  14. red_elk

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    It's already been more than 2 weeks. My point is that this may be a worldwide trend and there (hopefully) won't be a significant increase in death rate at all.
     
  15. Zardnaar

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    Could be down to who's getting sick.

    If they're keeping it out if homes for the elderly the deathtoll should be lower.

    Also they have figured out some different treatments since March and April.
     
  16. Commodore

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    That's where you and I are never going to agree. No one has a duty to society to do anything. The only "duty" any individual person has is to take care of themselves and their families.
     
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    The US or should I say... The Trump has something against foreigners Aliens

    Here his Proclamation of June 22:
    Well... we had that discussion on losing the knowledge potential when you throw up practical and emphatic hurdles to attract talents from all over the world.... breaking the traditional succes model of the US
    Coming on top of all the other negatives caused by Trump in the eyes of many potential students.

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    My reaction yesterday that it would be bad for the US, but would offer opportunities for all other developed countries

    And here from today's Dutch news:
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    I can list up a lot of considerations how to balance importing cheap migrants on the one hand... with importing goods produced in foreign countries with cheap labor on the other hand
    How to balance generating new knowledge with people working in your country on the one hand... with importing applied knowledge or IP from people working in other countries on the other hand.
    From the hosting country perspective and from the home country perspective of the potential migrants.

    But such lists of considerations do not apply to Trump.
    Not only because he does not read stuff... but because he is a too disruptive toddler who really believes that governing is as simple as making a deal at the pawn shop.
     
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  18. red_elk

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    Aliens exist!
    Told you.
     
  19. Hrothbern

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    We are all going to be banned by Trump to area 51
     
  20. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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