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Coronavirus 3: The Resurgence

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by red_elk, Jun 27, 2020.

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  1. Commodore

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    Was this a typo of some sort on your part? This seems out of place with the rest of the things you listed and also doesn't seem all that important. At least not when listing things that should be considered part of a national crisis.
     
  2. Kyriakos

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    Maybe it is about trained musicians, such as those who work at orchestras or at some school.
     
  3. r16

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    or as that the whole system has collapsed and they can't find work either when no one can go out or everybody goes out but no jobs for musicians because speaking loud or singing increases the risks ...
     
  4. El_Machinae

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    Any list of damages done will be curated
     
  5. GoodEnoughForMe

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    My point was more about however big or small a problem can and will come from this, it will come. Just wanted to illustrate that no sector will be untouched and undamaged because of our response. That even small, "relatively" insignificant things like that are multiple magnitudes worse than they had to be, because our national response was so bad.

    Yeah. Like, the effects of this are going to trickle down in ways we can't even imagine yet. For instance, global child immunization rates are plunging. That's going to cause a massive loss of life over the next few years that aren't covid deaths but are caused by it.
     
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  6. r16

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    and coronavirus hurts my eyes because webcafes were closed and ı was on a tablet on 3 and a half months and still use it , like typing this post right now and it wreaks havoc , though it is indeed a trifle . Haven't been ill , didn't loose anyone . But then Trump apparently discovers the British vaccine is a thing that can hurt , so what , is he going to say he let them test it on him and results are soooo promising ?
     
  7. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    So earlier I expected that tomorrow would be the last day of the newly-strengthened quarantine.

    Now, amid a surge in cases (waily waily waily) we have to wait for His inexcellency to announce our next stage.
     
  8. Kyriakos

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    Posting when not being incognito in web cafes?
    You decided it is pointless to keep running from mit after all? :eek:
     
  9. Aleksey_aka_al

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    Mass obsessive-compulsive disorder.
     
  10. Kaitzilla

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    Sweden is in the news a lot lately.

    June 22nd
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-pariah-scandinavia.html
    July 7th
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
    July 16th, 12 hours ago
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden...den-example-of-how-not-to-deal-with-covid-19/


    https://www.google.com/search?q=swe...kgXIEHRjvCp4Q_AUIDSgA&biw=1920&bih=1007&dpr=1
    Here are the Covid deaths in Sweden the last few days.
    July 11th - 1 death
    July 12th - 0 death
    July 13th - 1 death
    July 14th - 2 death
    July 15th - 1 death
    July 16th - 0 death
     
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  11. Hrothbern

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    You mean that Sweden is not flocking to the crowd leaded by the WHO.... AND is succesful at a low death rate ?
     
  12. Zardnaar

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    Low population. Per million more dead than USA.
     
  13. Kaitzilla

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    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

    They are at 547 deaths per million people (and holding there if deaths stay in low single digits) which is less than UK, France, Italy.
    It is more than USA, France, Brazil.
    USA is catching up fast (1400 deaths yesterday). :sad:

    Most people like to compare them to Norway which is nearby.
    Norway is at 47 deaths per million people.

    The only way to know for sure if their strategy was a bad idea or not is to check numbers once the virus has burned out and the deaths per million stops going up in the various countries.

    I'm sure by then people will count total excess deaths compared to previous year.
     
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  14. Hrothbern

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    From that link the graph and for comparison also the graph of Norway.

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    What do we see so far for the daily deaths ?
    We see for Norway the more usual pattern in Europe: there is an increase of Covid deaths and a relative fast decrease, getting slower and slower and then ending up so far in a steady state.
    We see for Sweden an increase (to a higher level per capita) followed by a relatively slower decrease than Norway, more linear, and ending as well on a low steady state level (for now).

    The public argument of Sweden has always been to get a behavioral change that would be long term sustainable in case the pandemy would last long.
    Avoiding the social fatigue accumulating over time and putting trust but also responsibility in itself, in its citizens.

    So far that "strategy" did work for Sweden at the expense of a slower decrease... but the steady state at low level is there... just like in other European countries (based on that one week figures + the trendline of the graph).

    I guess nobody knew around March what would be the right approach and all countries had to make choices including a start lockdown regime, causing a tredmill change in its people, and relaxing on empirical evidence from statistics.
    The approach of Sweden could also have been massively wrong.
    Now you can wonder if the excess deaths of a slower decrease were avoidable or not, are acceptable or not.

    And it still remains to be seen whether the Swedish approach will stay at that low level steady state !!!
    My wild-ass guess is that, staying within their basic approach, "they" will need to tighten up a bit.
    The long summer days will come to an end as well. The flu season, confusing symptoms interpretation, will come. And if that "they" is done by the people themselves, all the better.
    Time and stats will tell.

    yes.. we will have to wait and see which approaches are more sustainable and how the totals add up.

    The structural advantage of the Swedish approach imo is that there is less societal fatigue.... that there has been one steady the same signal from the government, one steady the same induced behavior of people.... enabling stats that do reflect that steady behavioral regime. Even allows for citizens to see what they do together achieve with all their individual choices regarding being cautious. Enabling the adaption feedback loop between people and their own stats.

    No negative effects of conflicting signals of Presidents and Governors for example.
    No negative second order side effects as in other European countries where a relaxation of a government restriction can all too easly lead to an "on top" personal behavior change that is much more increasing the R than that government relaxation of a rule.
     
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  15. FriendlyFire

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    I can see why Gates would take a bet with this biotech company
    But the US government going all in, with a company that has two failures is kinda strange, rather then going with a more safe conventional company, this could be another disaster
    E: US is also throwing money at other companies to develop a vaccine so this isnt the only company getting US funding

     
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  16. r16

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    there has never been a moment ı have been unknown . Or whatever . Though your challenges and what not and my like totally good natured responses cause stuff for those bunch of people who kept track of my actions and what not on behalf of the Congregation and stuff , when America did notice Lady Vader had told Lord Vader that he would keep an eye on me . ı did really survive the Ergenekon conspiracies and my death in Civil War would be swamped by the number of casualties anyhow , yeah , ı do blame Trump for his previous knowledge of the British Vaccine and no , am not going to be renditioned for it , especially by the services of the so called national intelligence services , the letter combination that is a famous school in the US . And of course that Egypt was invited by the Tobruk Parliament to send in the army means nothing if Washington decides that New Turkey is still so important than anything . At a time they might or might not have lost some carrier like ship to a possible or impossible Pearl Harbour or something or nothing . lt is true that there won't be any pipelines when the coronavirus is globally beaten .
     
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  17. Hrothbern

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    If you want to have one horse reaching the finish in time before the election... you have to bet on many horses !
    Why not buy them all ?
    There are 100+ vaccins in the making.
     
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  18. FriendlyFire

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    Problem SOLVED !

     
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  19. thecrazyscot

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    Our Georgia state governor has issued an executive order preventing localities from requiring masks, specifically to prevent cities like Atlanta from requiring them.

    He is now suing Atlanta for refusing to abide by his executive order.

    Link.

    I can't say I'm surprised, but this is still a new low for us.
     
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  20. Commodore

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    I think the governor has a point though. What good is achieved by fining or arresting those who aren't wearing masks? I think it's especially heinous to charge fines as a punishment at a time when a lot of people out there are struggling financially.

    There are also still mask shortages in many places, making it difficult for people to get their hands on a mask. So why should they be punished for circumstances that are largely outside of their control? That's why the correct course of action is to just encourage mask wearing, but not to make it mandatory.
     
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