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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by amadeus, Aug 10, 2020.

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  1. Zardnaar

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    Cheap mallow puffs

    Chocolate coated biscuit, marshmallow and raspberry.
     
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  2. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Hm, I hope there won't be a new lock-down.
    Tourists should never have been allowed in.
     
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  3. ShogunGrumpyBear

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    Croatia numbers I think was going up. I wonder why? *cough* tourists *cough*
     
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  4. red_elk

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    Read the interview with creator of Russian vaccine.
    Good news - vaccine exists :)
    It is based on very similar MERS vaccine developed in the institute for 3 years.
    2-vector adenovirus vaccine, requires 2 injections (hence red and blue vials, I guess)
    Passed 1-st and 2-nd stage clinical trials, show good response and only mild side effects.

    There is a protocol for phase 3 trials with 2000 volunteers, it will start ASAP, probably in September as soon as mass production begins.

    Putin said one of his daughters was vaccinated with it.
     
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  5. Commodore

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    Hey, if that's all true, then I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. Good on Russia for coming up with a vaccine for this.
     
  6. Zardnaar

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    It's been rushed and they haven't followed guidelines which means a lot of countries may not allow it.

    Assuming it works. Vaccines aren't 100% effective best of times when it comes to the flu vaccine anyway.
     
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    With every single one person vaccinated your R is going down.

    I understood from somewhere that Russia intends to start with doctors and nurses... and that means people who have the knowledgfe and easy access to professional help when needed from side effects and they will give good statistics input on side effects.

    When Russia can start in September and move forward at the rate of production... great !
     
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    It still can fail during phase 3 trials, but what I read sounds indeed promising.

    The registration was rushed, it was probably political decision to announce world's first vaccine.
    But from what I read the research process is being done by guidelines, no corners are cut.
     
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    Yeah but due to that rush odds are other vaccines will probably turn up in a similar time frame.

    Guess what one will get selected for sales?

    Or government department that buys drugs probably wouldn't buy it.

    If it works, meets requirements and the Russians don't price gouging with it could be a nice little earner.

    Not that I think anyone's going to have a monopoly on a vaccine anyway.
     
  10. red_elk

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    In Russia's case the government will make sure the trials go smoothly, without shortage of funds and volunteers.

    A lot of factors. Effectiveness, price, availability, advertising...
     
  11. FriendlyFire

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    Well this dose sound like Ivan, with the numerous short cuts that are being taken.
    I'd imagine looking at the US that it was probably the right call to make, a few hundred volunteers and probably a few dozen deaths weighed against the thousands that are dying right now.
    Then there is the calculations for Ivan on the possible side effects on a percentage of the population vs how many lives it could possibly save.
    Lastly there is long term effects which sound rather frightening if the vaccine backfires.

     
  12. amadeus

    amadeus The Choice of a New Generation

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    The “good” side of it is that a vaccine’s efficacy is not contingent on the questionable ethics used in its development.

    That is to say, I hope it works! Even if the development process does not meet the ethical standards we would generally hold as necessary.
     
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    What questionable ethics?
     
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    7 new cases today, if that keeps up flattened the curve in 4 days.

    23000 tests done, in the Corona holiday they tripled the testing rate. Last time around the best day was 7800 iirc.

    5 million masks on hand, 3 million sent out. On top of whatever people have themselves.
     
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    I assume that how Ivan normally operates so its normal for you guys
    Like I said Ivan has cut corners, and skipped almost straight to human testing. Its a calculated risk for sure its just that well you know phase 3 testing is going to be the general public

     
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    Skipped what exactly? None of the tests were skipped so far. 3-rd stage is scheduled on September.
    The only "cut corner" was early approval of vaccine, which is not in mass production anyway.
     
  18. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Mexico has over 55,000 dead and Peru over 25,000. *sigh*
     
  19. Zardnaar

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    Broadly speaking the vaccine might be useable in Russia or be used for internal propaganda but would likely not be approved in other countries.
     
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    amadeus The Choice of a New Generation

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    If I recall correctly the vaccine was tested on soldiers, so I suppose there are legitimate questions to be raised about how voluntary the nature of the testing was.

    I’m not an ethicist, so I don’t know where to fall on the question. Suppose that a (safe) vaccine is tested on 100 unwilling participants, but it saves 10,000 lives. Is it worth it? I suppose it would be, but I’m talking more about experimental ethics as they are viewed currently by the scientific community at large in the West.

    I’m not poo-pooing the vaccine if it works. I want it to!
     
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