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Coronavirus: awaiting for the new wave

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Josu, Dec 10, 2020.

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  1. Samson

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    That is totally the way I watch it. There is a certain amount of suppression of the press that would not occur in the west, but that is not really related to covid. The real medical response you see in Wuhan in January is far ahead of what I have seen in the UK like 6 months later.
    [EDIT] I say 6 months, that is an exaggeration. But this documents segregation of covid patients from others in early January based on fever. I documented in an earlier covid thread the UK health service directing me to wait in a crowded doctors surgery based on fever as a response to covid in mid february. I was the only one wearing a mask then (even the doctor seemed a bit derogatory, and this was clearly an industrial dust mask), everyone was by the end of the 3 days in January.

    I have to admit, the most amazing thing is that he got away with the video, by doing it all on his phone and telling the police that he was only using his camera. Seeing an apparatchik, who refuses to give her name, taking photos of a camera screen for approval by the party, while being videoed from a phone, gives one some hope for the future.

    It is on youtube now:
     
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  2. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    They gave everyone else the virus so they should be held to account.
    Which ones?
     
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  3. uppi

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    The problem is that if your body becomes immune to the vector, it will not work as a vector anymore.
     
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    The issue with vaccines that use adenovirus-based vectors is that the human body can end up generating antibodies against the vector, rather than the coronavirus antigen payload we actually want to generate immunity to. Once those vector-antibodies exist, if you try giving another vaccine with a different payload, but the same vector, it's unlikely to work. The existing antibodies against the vector will take it out before there's a chance for the immune system to do anything with the new payload.

    This is one of the reasons the adenovirus vector vaccines (Oxford/AZ and the Russian one) use two shots. It's the same payload, but in two different vectors, to give the immune system two chances to generate antibodies against the coronavirus payload we're interested in, rather than the vectors.

    I'm not sure how long we'd be able to get away with using two new vectors every year for an annual vaccine - there are only so many proven ones. Plus the vectors will have some similarities, so there's a chance of this issue showing up even if the exact vector hasn't been used before, which will increase the more different antibodies against adenovirus vectors you get.

    The mRNA vaccines in theory don't have this issue. An annual vaccine would just mean replacing the mRNA sequence with whatever the sequence of the spike protein from the most prevalent variant of the coronavirus.
     
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    Excellent explanation. Thank you.
     
  6. innonimatu

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    The Oxford vaccine uses the same vector. And I believe that the J&J is a single dose.
     
  7. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours.
    After several days of suspiciously low reported figures Argentina has seen a jump from 85 official dead to *Vegeta voice* over four hundred! (more precisely, 425) which, yesterday being the last day of the traditional summer holiday switcheroo, makes me think that for some moronic propaganda reason or another people in the shadowy government coalition would like people not to realise that all this travelling around helps spread the disease. Reconciling the two needs of a) shutting everything down to stop the spread and b) having some economic activity remains in the realm of the alchemical.

    As a sidenote, it bears mentioning that the Health Minister refuses to appear before the allegedly sovereign Congress and insists on only talking to pro-government lawmakers.
     
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  8. r16

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    take advantage of the sun if there is any ; because you will probably be fully locked up in months time anyhow .
     
  9. sendos

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    Victoria is going to host Australian Open. International tennis players are whinging over COVID-19 hotel quarantine and pretending not to know the arrangements when they were told a month in advance.
     
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  10. Zelig

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    It sounds like the protocols were not made clear in advance, you’ve specifically got players saying they came on false pretenses.
     
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    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...ter-reports-of-allergic-reactions-01611011648 (can't find a better source right now)
    uuuhh.... not good....
     
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    Given that most tennis players (other than Nick Kyrgios) are home-schooled morons, a lot of them probably didn't actually know, in that they either didn't listen, didn't understand the implications, or didn't get get told by their managers, regardless of the briefings which were actually given.

    This would be especially shocking to them since most of them are coming from parts of the world like Europe and the Americas which have generally been far more lax about virus containment measures and don't do hard border quarantine. They probably don't even really understand that they're coming to a country that actually has essentially zero virus and that overseas arrivals are fairly literally the only risk. Bautista Agut expressing horror and disbelief that the state government and not the tennis body are running things, and Djokovic wondering why they can't just go to a private house somewhere, seem emblematic of that.

    Also, locking up half the tour in quarantine prison is really, really funny, and the fact that it's a good chance of personally pissing off some future administrator, who'll one day vote to send our Grand Slam to China, makes it even funnier.
     
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  14. The_J

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    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/288
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    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/230 this link is to the mentioned perspective mentioned above, and should be okay to read for many non-scientists (in contrast to the first link, which is to a scientific paper)
     
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  15. EnglishEdward

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    I have read that article, and it is grim reading indeed.
     
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    India, ‘pharmacy of the world’, starts exporting COVID vaccines

    India has started exporting coronavirus vaccines with a shipment to the neighbouring Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said, as the so-called “pharmacy of the world” looks to bolster its vaccine diplomacy.
    Many low and middle-income countries are relying on India, the world’s biggest vaccine maker, for supplies to start COVID-19 immunisation programmes and bring an end to their outbreaks.
    Indian firms produce about half of the world’s vaccine supply, mostly for developing nations, according to the Indian Pharmaceutical Alliance.
    India will also provide training for personnel involved in the vaccine roll-out in all the neighbouring countries.
    India authorised two vaccines this month for emergency use at home, one licensed from Oxford University and AstraZeneca and another developed at home by Bharat Biotech in partnership with the state-run Indian Council of Medical Research. Both are manufactured locally.​

    A nurse displays a vial of AstraZeneca's Covishield vaccine during a vaccination campaign in Mumbai
     
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    There is a vaccination plan in Spain in which elder people, and health care staff are the first groups receiving the vaccine.
    News are reporting that several politicians have allready received it, although not being neither elder people neither health care staff
     
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    The thing that is not handled in this reporting is why the police are within spitting distance of so many people. If course if you have to physically restrain someone you need to get close, but there is no indication this is the case in all these situations, so what are the police up to that they get so much exposure? If they were following the social distancing guidelines this would not be happening.
     
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    My guess would be that it isn't about their own health, but that they're both more likely to get infected and then more likely to infect others via the interactions they have with the public that have to temporarily ignore social distancing and mask requirements.

    I'm not overly worried about who is in front of who in line, as long as the justifications are reasonable, and there's needles going into arms as quickly as possible.
     
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