Coronavirus, now treatable with ForXthia!

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  1. RobAnybody

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    fwiw, I do, but only when entering establishments that ask me to or have signs posted that say I need to in order to enter.
    As long as they continue to ask me to or post signs that say I need to. I carry one with me pretty much every time I go to another destination; I put it on when entering a place that asks me to. I honestly just don't care. It's not a burden to me. Not saying you, or anyone, should feel like I do, just posting my answers to the questions you asked (& I lurk & tend to agree with a lot of your viewpoints here, I just think we differ here b/c, well, I... just... don't... care... about wearing a mask sometimes; it makes literally no difference to my life, but you do, & that's fine; just answering your questions from my pov).
    I wasn't in any way offended by your analogy to vasectomy + wearing a condom. I initially thought it was a good one. But my mind did almost immediately go to the STD aspect when I read it. A vasectomy won't protect you from STDs, so vasectomy=vaccine; condom=masks. Neither is honestly 100%, but with both? You should feel safe, from both unwanted pregnancy & STDs. Or even spreading an STD when you don't yet know you have it.

    Exactly! My brother gets all mad when we go into a restaurant that requires a mask 'til you get to your table. But I keep asking him "why do you even care?" It's like 30 seconds, tops. It's not like it's a huge burden. I'm Gen X. He's borderline GenX almost Millennial. Maybe that explains it (kidding!).

    Back on topic, to sum up my feeling about having to wear masks in certain places:

    I... just... don't... care. If I have to carry a mask with me for the rest of my life & some places say I need to wear it & some don't (I'm vax'd fwiw), I... just... don't... care. It's no effort at all. I'm a lazy MFer who just doesn't care about most stuff people seem to obsess over & the level of effort involved to put a mask on does not bother me in the least, so why do people care?

    If the sign in the store changes to "no shirt, no shoes, no mask - no service", then fine, I won't care. I've never been like "why can't I buy macaroni & cheese while not wearing a shirt!?!!!?!" I just... you know, wear a shirt, & buy my macaroni & cheese.
     
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    This is farcical theatre though. We may as well do the anti-covid-jig whenever we enter a restaurant to keep the covid away.

    I went to a beer festival with several thousand people last weekend and the official directive was to be wearing a mask whenever you weren't eating or drinking.
     
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    Well, it's about when you are passing other people. Until you are in a space you won't move from, with people you know are safe, then do what the venue asks you to do. Why not? Until you are there, it's not theater theatre. It's what the place has asked you to do, so... do it?

    EDIT: I sometimes walk around my house with no shirt, because it's my house. I imagine we've all done this at one time or another. But you wouldn't go to a beer festival with no shirt, right? i just don't get why this is different. Maybe someone can convince me why it's different, but I can't see it.
     
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  4. Arwon

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    They'd probably lose given their recent track record lol
     
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    Oh and on masks, our mask mandate moves to indoors only from next week, then only "indoor high risk settings" from late November. Because of all the vaccination you see.
     
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    Is this going to be the Australian-American war i've heard so much about in GTA?
     
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  7. innonimatu

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    The only thing that may save you still is summer coming early there.

    Looking at covid related headlines in the most notorious of the british rags. 10 months after vaccines were announced as the worldwide solution, and 20 months into the pandemic:

     
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    @Narz sure wearing a mask can be annoying. Try it with both glasses and hearing aids. But so what? Masks are certainly less annoying than raising children for 18 years. :p
     
  9. innonimatu

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    Missed this headline:

    Even attempting some immunity through vaccination meant vaccines every 5 or 6 months I had been saying, and look what the british are arguing about.
    This cannot be sustained, for a number of reasons. The cumulative effects of such a repeated vaccination will probably become as bad as the effects of the occasional encounters with the virus, which even with some ready antibodies to help fight it does cause damage. Without allowing the back-to-nomal promised endgame. It's a failed strategy.

    For the sake of achieving that illusory "herd immunity" the vaccine was shoved upon people and arguments that it does cause problems mostly silenced. But Moderna's is on hold for younger people in several countries now, joining Astra-Zeneca's and J&J's also. And even without hearing (And knowing directly) of stories of side effects, or having suffered them, people do get tired of being vaccinated every few months. It's not a sustainable strategy. Vaccinating to go back to normal failed and that must be acknowledged so that other strategy can be executed. Either different vaccines, antivirals, or elimination.

    The vaccine is helpful as part of a strategy of elimination, otherwise it will be just part of an ongoing problem: the ever-lasting pandemic and associated morbidity and death.
     
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    Because it's theatre. It's like having a restaurant where you're only allowed to smoke while seated and pretending that it's an effective rule to limit exposure to second-hand smoke.
     
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    I don't think there's any credible reason to believe this. Nobody's dropping dead from their yearly flu shots.
     
  13. warpus

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    My sister is one of those people, she has to wear a mask and a protective shield over the mask the entire time she's working. This is of course anecdotal, but I've never heard her complain about it
     
  14. innonimatu

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    It depends on whether it's the spike protein or something else cause this stuff:

    EVIDENCE FOR BIOLOGICAL AGE ACCELERATION AND TELOMERE SHORTENING IN COVID19 SURVIVORS

    SARS-CoV-2 infection causes immunodeficiency in recovered patients by downregulating CD19 expression in B cells via enhancing B-cell metabolism

    This reason of concern about B cells I found only very recently. The T-cell depletion concerns have been around for a few months now. But as I mentioned, it's dangerous to be noticed discussing that. It brings censorship in mainstream media and apparently even in scientific journals. Papers were delayed. Sure accumulating evidence of the effects is better than just publishing conjectures, but as policy is being made now and ruinous decisions (letting the virus spread) being made, informed conjectures were valuable. What is being done by the governments of Australia and New Zealand is simply criminal, and I bet it will be regarded as such when the dust settles.

    Sars-COV2 is an extremely nasty virus. It's not safe to catch it to become immune even if you're young and exceedingly unlikely to die, not is it useful. It's likely not even safe to overstimulate the immune system against it (repeated vaccinations) before we know exactly how it is causing damage. This kind of think will take years and multiple infections to become obviously noticeable. But there are known strong reasons now to be concerned. Study of "long covid" is just starting to produce published results. Deciding to make the virus endemic is crazy.

    The only sane strategy is to eradicate. For those who keep claiming that it can't be eradicated because allegedly diseases just can't be eradicated without vaccines, what about this?

    COVID-19 pandemic drove flu to historic lows, and may have eliminated one virus type completely

    Covid curbs, even without intentionally targeting this flu virus, wiped it out. Worldwide. A flu virus that was endemic, that had only a leaky vaccine against, and that such vaccine never managed to stop.
    Virus can be wiped out. It's actually technically easy. It just requiters a plan that makes sense: temporary targeted restrictions to wipe it out, and then controls to keep it out. And keep expanding the cleansed area., which is just repeating this across the world. This flu virus was easier to wipe out because it had a lower R. But it propagates in exactly the same way as covid. And we now know for a fact it's aerosols and how to curb transmission, no silly false partitions or 2 meter distances.
     
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    We have that here yes, most countries with a European style social security system have I suspect - obviously we can not provide socialised medical leave for the entire world - surely you must understand ?

    Happy to hear that.

    As do we yes, just the vaccines will likely not be enough - locally other measures may have to be implemented, evaluated and if needed adjusted, it's a continuous effort that will take time I'm afraid.

    In the meantime life is back to normal, or close to it imho.
     
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    Could just be that people with longer telomeres are less likely to get infected.

    Association Between Telomere Length and Experimentally Induced Upper Respiratory Viral Infection in Healthy Adults

    I've yet to see any compelling evidence that given equivalent acute disease severity, that the long-term outcomes of COVID-19 are notably worse than those of any other respiratory infection.
     
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    I made a handy guide to the two separate Australias

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    Reason they ended it was people weren't obeying the rules.

    Aucklands had 4 lockdowns and has spent more time in lockdown than almost anywhere else.

    And people stopped co operating with the contact tracers- gangmembers, sex worers, homeless etc.
     
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    Meanwhile, the situation is improving in a lot of southern US states that were hit hardest by the delta wave.





     
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    Spending $1500 dollars for a fake arm that any reasonable medical professional would realise is fake, to avoid taking the free and effective vaccine.



    I hope this is just a troll. But who knows with these stupid anti vaxxers.

    I really wonder to what extent the breakthrough case numbers are skewed by anti-vaxxer fakery, like the cards.
     
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