Zardnaar
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Yeah but how far back do you want to go for repatriations? It's a moot point anyway as it's not gonna happen in any event.
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Yeah but how far back do you want to go for repatriations? It's a moot point anyway as it's not gonna happen in any event.
So why bother asking how far back somebody wants to go?
The answer is going to depend on the countries involved and their relative histories. There's not going to be an easy catch-all answer somebody can give you on a web forum. We can only say whether or not we support them (reparations), or not. If we selectively support them, then you open up anyone else to selectively support them too. Which will result in "yes for me, no for you".
Zardnaar
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So why bother asking how far back somebody wants to go?
The answer is going to depend on the countries involved and their relative histories. There's not going to be an easy catch-all answer somebody can give you on a web forum. We can only say whether or not we support them (reparations), or not. If we selectively support them, then you open up anyone else to selectively support them too. Which will result in "yes for me, no for you".
Yeah UK won't pay any serious reparations and no one can really compel them.
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Repatriation might fit here better. Start returning all that human capital incorrectly pilfered whether it wants to go or not. Argument seems as solid as any on this ground of sins of the (great-great-great grand)fathers. Seems a rather...noble, concept.
Hmm maybe December when basically everyone over 12 is fully vaccinated. By that stage masks will just be some indoor high risk settings and borders will have been fully open for a month. Can't speak for the rest of the world.
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How Covid Is Killing People Who Don’t Even Have the Virus
The pandemic has killed over 700,000 Americans, but it has indirectly killed many more — all the
people with treatable health emergencies who were unable to obtain care at hospitals overwhelmed
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https://www.politico.com/news/agenda/2021/10/26/lack-hospital-space-crisis-covid-517219
The pandemic has killed over 700,000 Americans, but it has indirectly killed many more — all the
people with treatable health emergencies who were unable to obtain care at hospitals overwhelmed
with Covid patients.
https://www.politico.com/news/agenda/2021/10/26/lack-hospital-space-crisis-covid-517219
Gonna get "boosted" in 30 minutes.
Russia's latest news.
- Good news is that vaccination rate has increased, most likely due to new restrictions.
- Children started to get sick more often, including critical cases. If the trend continues it may become a serious problem because kids ICU require special equipment.
- Sputnik remains the primary vaccine, two others have problems either with efficacy (EpiVacCorona) or with production (CoviVac)
- Sputnik will hopefully be approved in EU till the end of 2021, but for those who need to travel to Europe there may be also option to get paid foreign vaccines.
- Research show very good level of antibodies after combination of viral vector + mRNA vaccines, better than any variant alone. If there is an opportunity, doctors recommend to take Moderna or Pfizer boost few months after Sputnik V or vice versa.
Also, building from the other data, the hospitalisation rate from identified cases has dropped from 10% early in our outbreak through August and September, to 2% for cases last week. That's in line with there only being very few unvaccinated people left now. A month ago most cases were unvaccinated, now there's a smaller number of cases (average 10 a day down from 40 a day) and half of them are vaccinated. Hence the much lower hospitalisation rate.
Indeed, hospitalisations and ICU numbers have both halved in recent days.
Indeed, hospitalisations and ICU numbers have both halved in recent days.
Probably should recognize non-approved vaccines and placebos as well, it's hard to run effective clinical trials if the reward you get for participating is being unable to travel.
Zardnaar
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Maybe some are dodgy though Chinese cough cough.
The main ones plus Sputnik seem decent.
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Do not believe it's over. In your continent it's just starting, unfortunately I think people there will come to curse the government's decision to stop suppressing the virus.
I don't know if we have any irish regular visiting the thread. Saw a piece of news that seems to show Ireland too is suffering the waning protection thing. False confidence leads to taking more risks?
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innonimatu
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Considering the fact that the infected vaccinated transmit the virus as effectively as the infected vaccinated, there never was any reason to discriminate on travel by vaccine status. Test everyone. Quarantine everyone if you're serious about preventing new variants from coming. Exemptions for the vaccinated just show that the controls are phony.
If countries make exemptions for approved vaccines, they should also make exemptions for unapproved vaccines so as to not hinder trials of vaccines.
Testing isn't going to work better than a vaccine mandate, the false negative rate on tests is higher than the rate of breakthrough vaccine cases.
There are people in ongoing clinical trials with vaccines that have the potential to be approved at a later date - and this has the possibility to continue indefinitely - you can't test a new booster vaccine in a population that's all received a Pfizer booster in the past month.
I'm not sure how that's relevant to my post.
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