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Corporation mechanics

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by GABB, Jun 21, 2007.

  1. Virulent

    Virulent King

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    Now that I've thought it over while I still don't like the idea of corps spreading randomly I can see possibilities in forcing one of your corps on your rivals.

    For example you can gift a rival Civ a resource that a corp needs, then you can start spamming executives and spreading your corp around. They might mess up their economy due to all of the increased maintenance your rival will have to pay while making you :gold: at the same time. If they try to change their civic to State Property or Mercantilism you can use your spies to change it back (or even use the UN to force Environmentalism on everybody).

    I'm surprised they didn't include an economic victory as well.
     
  2. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    Well perhaps Standard Ethanol is rendered in operative by the presence of Oil (and Aluminum, Inc. by Aluminum) Now there are some cities you don't NEED Oil in, and then the situation would be bad, otherwise that should solve the problem.
     
  3. andrewlt

    andrewlt Prince

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    Is that the only thing Standard Ethanol does? It might have some bonuses like the other corporations.

    What do you guys think about the tradeoff of 8 hammers for 20 or so commerce? Is it worth it? I'm thinking that the gold rushing civic (forgot its name, suffrage?) might be better. After all, if you have nothing to build in your cities, and it happens sometimes on high production ones, you're trading 2 hammers for 1 commerce. It seems 8 hammers for 20+ commerce is too steep a tradeoff, unless you only spread that hq on really crappy cities hammer wise.
     
  4. KrikkitTwo

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    Also useful in space race, since those can't be rushed (and rush hammers don't get bonuses)
     
  5. Gaius Octavius

    Gaius Octavius Deity

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    True. I suspect most of the corporations are geared toward Space Race anyway; remember that one of the statements in an article about Aluminum, Inc. said that you could better compete for the space victory.
     
  6. Nikis-Knight

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    If you want to benefit from gold per city in your corporation HQ from foreign cities, don't aim for strategic resource granting corps! ;)

    Link please?
     
  7. Gaius Octavius

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    http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy..._clk=gumballs&tag=gumballs%3Bimg;0&page=2
     
  8. Pomp

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    That would be a problem, if the corporation works that way. I can see myself going state property or mercantilism to shut that corp down if it's taking my only means to oil.
     
  9. Gaius Octavius

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    This is the one thing I don't like about corporations--while religions are essentially a positive thing for everyone, corporations are more of a negative thing for everyone but you. They're more of a hurt tactic. It becomes a race to see how fast and how quick you can spread your corp. in other civs while not letting any foreign ones into your own. Far from nerfing State Property, what I fear they've done is increase the value of Mercantilism at the expense of Free Market.
     
  10. Monkeyfinger

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    I wonder if the AI will be smart enough to realize I'm using corporations to take them for a ride by doing stuff like sticking a +culture corporation in one of their central cities, or the coal -> aluminum corporation in one of their production cities when they only have 1 coal mine? Will they be smart enough to switch to the right economic civic to stifle my plan?

    One thing I will have to try is founding a crappy corporation, adopting state property to make myself immune to it, and let it spread to everyone else's cities so my headquarters can rake in the cash while the rival cities buckle. Hm, what about founding the culture corporation, finding a border between two rivals, and putting the corporation in ALL the cities on that border, causing them to break even culturally while their commerce suffers and my gold output soars? If one of the civs shuts down the corporation, the other civ will rape their borders.

    Also! If it turns out the AI is generally smart enough to deny that kind of stuff, AI controlled Mansa Musa just got a much needed nerf, because once an AI controlled Mansa gains the ability to adopt Free Market he switches to it and never, ever looks back. Have fun beating me in a tech race with a bunch of useless corporations in your science city bogging down its commercial output!
     
  11. Gaius Octavius

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    I must admit, the thought of playing as America or Japan and spamming Mansa, Wang Kon or Gandhi with useless corporations appeals to me...
     
  12. Monkeyfinger

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    Gandhi will just laugh in your face if you try to do that to him. He doesn't rely on commerce to get his beakers and coins, he runs specialists and abuses the GPs they make. You'll be giving him benefits, even if they're minor ones, in exchange for a really marginal drawback.

    This strategy would only work on cottage spammers, but damn, it would work incredibly well.
     
  13. Gaius Octavius

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    If I can reduce Gandhi's money supply, he can't run as much espionage, and I can kill him that way. :)
     
  14. Thedrin

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    The new National Park national wonder removes access to coal from a city (removing unhealthiness due to the coal power plant). This means that Firaxis have implemented a new level of resource spread through a civ. Individual cities can be excluded from having a resource available to all of the civs other cities even if there is a route from that city to the rest of the civ. It means that it's also possible that the opposite has been introduced; that a city could have access to a resource that every other city in the civ does not have access to.

    Among other thiongs this means that GABB's view of how corporations would use resources is almost certainly correct - if you have access to 1 excess corn then every city can get the corporate benefits of that resource.

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    Okay, it's been (apparently) confirmed in the GameSpot article that you can spread corporations to other civs. It makes no reference as to whether the other civ can block the corporation so I'm assuming that they probably can't. However, maybe you still have the option as to whether or not the corporation gets access to the resource it requires. A Cereal Mills representative may be present in your production city but you haven't allowed it access to the one corn resource which could lead to oil access.
     
  15. Martinus

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    Well, precisely. For a coastal, Financial and well developed empire, this would be a very good boost.
     
  16. Martinus

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    I think I love this ability to wreck your enemy without war like this. It's something Firaxis should have/could have done with Religions, but didn't fearing the backlash from making different religion bring different negative results.
     
  17. Virulent

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    Even if the AI changes civics to avoid your corporation spamming, just use your spies to change it back.
     
  18. sneaky

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    Not to mention that it seems very historically correct.
    Only the HQ city really benefits, all other corporations are a threat to other nations economies, employment rates etc.
     
  19. Bursk

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    So even though a corporation provides benefits to a city, these are far outweighed by the cost to the city? Therefore, you'll be worse off if you spread the corp to your own cities?
     
  20. sneaky

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    The new 1up preview tells us some more about corporations:

    "One of the biggest additions, Corporations, operates much like religions do, but instead of missionaries, you have business executives you can send to different countries in order to spread the word of oil or cereal. Depending on what type of corporation you set up, they provide different bonuses -- the mining corporation boosts your gold production per city while the cereal corporation increases food production. There are limiting factors however, as each corporation costs maintenance fees, and you can't spread to a location that doesn't have the necessary resources to support that particular corporation. For instance, the Cereal Mills Corporation can only be built in cities that have corn, rice and wheat. Want to reap the benefits of a corporation without paying the fees? No problem -- just send a business executive to set up shop in someone else's territory. While you gain the production bonuses, the city's owner pays the fees. To prevent this from happening to you, you can turn off corporation effects, but that also cancels any bonuses you may have from your own."

    I'm confused, I get that the corporation will suck away commerce in the foreign city, but does the player who controls the HQ also get the production bonus that you would expect to go to the foreign city?
     

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