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COVID-19 virus thread (formerly Wuhan coronavirus)

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by aimeeandbeatles, Jan 22, 2020.

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  1. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    83 cases here (no deaths, afaik) and now all the schools and universities are to close as a precaution.

    Kids will love it - but not so much when they have to go extra weeks in school near the summer break :)
     
  2. Yeekim

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    Few thousand deaths in a country of 330 million is getting off easy in my book...
    Put other way, that's just about 1/10th of all your gun-related deaths.
     
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  3. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    If you are only counting the deaths as the result of this pandemic, you have missed the bigger picture.
    • US national economic effects
    • US regional economic effects
    • World economic effects
    • Election effects
    • Ideas on health care effects
    • Deaths
    • Job effects
     
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  4. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    The US has dropped the ball, with 1000 confirmed cases its looking like the virus is already lose in the population.
    As long as population isnt stupid and think that its no worse then the common cold, then going work and political rallies .......... oh wait
     
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    The government chose to take the risk of human causalities than seeing people going panic and socio-economy activity freeze. Here also the same, they always try to convince the masses that this is just "another flue".
     
  6. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    A few thousand? A few hundred thousand deaths would be a miracle.
     
  7. Kaitzilla

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    Got a winner in the UK pool.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-...ted-with-boris-johnson-has-coronavirus-2020-3

    It is British Conservative MP Nadine Dorries.
    Oh Lord, she is living my greatest fear. :sad:
     
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    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    Hey guys, remember, a genius has told us all that this thing could go from 32 cases to zero just like that.
     
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    Quintillus Archiving Civ3 Content Supporter

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    I agree with Kaitzilla, the British Health Minister is currently winning in my book for most inexcusable spread of the virus. How are you the Health Minister and not know you should stay home when you start coming down with flu-like symptoms, instead just continuing to attend government functions while sick instead? It's like the Chief of Police getting nabbed for robbing a store. With any amount of respectability, I'd expect a resignation after that.

    I highly recommend the article Arwon posted. There are notable parallels between it and the initial ignorance of the whistleblower and cover-up in China. Perhaps more driven by ignorance and wishful thinking than malice, but certainly a huge goof-up.
     
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    There's talk about closing my university in the two weeks after spring break and doing online classes, because they're concerned people will spread the virus after traveling on break.
     
  12. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    @Arwon That is a great link. Pretty amazing sequence of events.
     
  13. Zardnaar

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    Might make some form of universal healthcare acceptable.

    Rich people not immune. Pay more tax vs get pandemic.
     
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  15. wolfigor

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    To be able to contain the virus and minimising its effect on lives, health care, and economy requires people to be aware of the dangers and have media and institutions to talk clearly about it.
    It shouldn't be sugar-coated but not alarmist either: this is not a normal flu and this not apocalypse.
    Both institutions and people have to be aware of it and take pragmatic solutions: people shall learn that this is serious and a sizable number of people will become ill and die.
    There is a lot we can do to minimise the impact on our society.

    Non medical remedies (e.g. isolation, quarantine, travel limitations, etc.) will not stop the virus, it will slow it down.
    Slowing it down will help to avoid health care (hospitals, intensive care) to be completely overwhelmed which will lead to more deaths and more disruption: the total number of infected and serious ill will be the same, but more spread in time.
    For example: if you have 1,000 serious cases requiring intensive care, it's important to get them over 2 weeks instead of over 2 days.

    The mindset of people has to change and avoid behaviours and actions that will increase the spread of virus.
    A friend of mine has his son in a school near Oslo and they had planned since lont time a school trip to Austria.
    The school has paid money for it already and they do not want to cancel...
    If we look at where people got infected in Norway we see that many of them got Novel Corona Virus in Austria.
    The chart below shows on the left where people got infected and on the right where they are now.
    Austria is Østerrike:

    Going to a school trip to Austria now it's not a good idea right now.

    Here in Norway we are quite close to go "esponential", we already have a couple of clusters of infections.
    <spoiler>

    </spoiler>

    The health system is good and preparing well... but the mindset of populations is nowhere ready.
    Some people are acutely aware of the risk but many still dismiss it, especially because so far we didn't have got any serious case and no death.... yet.
    This may due to the average population in Norway being quite healthy, with low incidence of risk factors (smoking, diabete, obesity, lung issues) compared to other countries in Europe.


    Non medical remedies, do help if people take them seriously and avoid as much as possible the risk behaviours.
    The virus spreads mostly via *droplets* and *aereosol*.
    Contagion via touching surfaces is order of magnitues less prevalent than the above.

    Wearing surgical masks helps with droplets, mostly because infected people will seeze/cough into it and prevent spread.
    If everybody wear them, we can limit spreading the virus around... however masks are in short supply so this may not be practical everywhere.
    Masks are better reserved to those showing symptoms because they are more likely to spread virus (e.g. sneezing).
    This is what Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan did with great success.

    Singapore government page has a lot of very clear, concise, and practical information about Covid-19:
    https://www.gov.sg/features/covid-19

    This Q&A (in two parts) is very useful:
    https://www.gov.sg/article/infectious-disease-specialist-answers-questions-on-covid-19
    https://www.gov.sg/article/infectious-disease-expert-answers-more-questions-on-covid-19-part-ii

    Closing places of gathering (factories, schools, etc) is something that can be done only temporary, one cannot shut down everywhere for several months.
    It's something good to do to avoid contagion to go exponential, and then when things are under control re-open (with good monitoring).
    Taiwan is also a good case: Taiwan has 23M inhabitants and it was one of the first countries to get infected in late January.
    Now they are still at 48 infected in total (they do extensively test for the virus, so the numbers are quite accurate and they have aggressive monitoring of all infected discovered).
    When I was there in early Feruary, everybody did wear masks.
    Mask started quickly to run short and the government started controlling distribution (people had right to buy a certain number of masks per day).
    One avoided going out where there were other people without a mask.
    Who could work from home did it, the others worked with masks.
    At the cafeteria in factories, people avoided talking to much to avoid spreading virus via droplets.
    TV shows educative videos about the virus at regular times during the day.
    Schools were closed during those critical weeks to avoid a fast spreading and to be able to plan the procedures for when the schools are reopened.
    I have a lot of details here because a close friend of mine is a primary school teacher:
    Now the schools are open again, chidren wear masks in the classroom; they was hands regularly (especially when they come back from break) and help cleaning the classroom.
    They also have to change shoes (indoor/outdoor).
    Teachers also take temperature of children regularly.
    Parents are strongly adviced against sending children with any simptoms to school: if 2 (two) children got a fever when at school the school will be closed for two weeks.
    Those two weeks will be not lost but recovered by shortening vacation days in summer: teachers have the direct responsability.
    Parents with sick children get government support because they may have to skip working.

    You can see there are a lot of details and self responsability in place.
    There are also corcitive system in place for those openly breaking an ordered quarantine: you can get to jail and pay a huge fine if you knowingly go out while being infected.

    Here in the west we are badly unprepared, especially mentally, to front this pandemic.
    In Asia they already had SARS that made them painfully aware of the dangers of a coronavirus.
     
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    Bidet are for the weak. And Japan.
     
  18. Sofista

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    We're right behind you, John Henry. :D

    But seriously, bidets are just the superior option.
     
  19. Zardnaar

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    Real men don't use Bidets;).
     
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    And real men never sit when they pee

    That's why they are seldom the ones cleaning their toilet unless they live on their own
     
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