I rarely post. I'm not a complainer. I find ways to work around bugs and problems and enjoy the game, which I've been doing ever since Civ II. The number of hours of pleasure Civ has given me is incalculable. But this is ridiculous. The new patch downloads and installs. I fire up the game. But now, without even waiting until I start a game, Crash V crashes. I was just browsing mods and hadn't even set up a game. So I try again and this time it now only crashes pre-game, but takes me to a BSOD. I figure it's something to do with the mods, so I disable all except "Have Fun." I'm able to set up a game, but as soon as I click on Have Fun, it crashes again. OK, OK, I think to myself. No mods, period. So I set up a vanilla game and as soon as the game start, on the very first click, crash again. I'm sorry, but this is just pathetic. As I said, I'll work around bugs and problems. But when I can't even start a game without a crash, right after yet another patch, something is very, very wrong.